-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 04/24/2015 08:30 AM, Zane Bitter wrote:
>> I'm not sure what you see as the difference between the "end >> users" and the "operators" of OpenStack, because in my mind they >> are one and the same. I don't consider the people using, say, >> public cloud services to be OpenStack end users, because >> ultimately they just want stuff that works, and if it doesn't, >> they'll blame the provider, not OpenStack. I see our end users as >> the people who deploy and run OpenStack clouds. > > Whoa! Back the terminology train up. > > There's been longstanding confusion whenever anyone mentions the > word "users" because it is ambiguous whether it refers to the > people who deploy OpenStack clouds or the people who deploy > workloads on them. This has largely been resolved by a conscious > effort to refer to the two groups as "operators" and "end users" > respectively. > > The *last* thing we need is to muddy the waters again since, > contrary to your (I hope inadvertent) implication, both groups are > important and they often have different (and occasionally > conflicting) interests. The qualifier "end" is there for a reason; > don't ignore it. Well, of course they are important, and shouldn't be ignored, but the question explicitly stated: > I'm concerned with are the developers, end-users and operators of > OpenStack: the individuals who are actively involved with it on a > daily basis. I'm intentionally leaving out things like "the > downstream". I read "the downstream" to mean what you refer to as "people who deploy workloads on them". In this context, I saw the operators as the end-users of the work the devs do. If that gave the impression that I don't care about people who actually run their stuff on the clouds we build, I apologize - I was simply trying to answer what was asked. - -- - -- Ed Leafe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVOkqtAAoJEKMgtcocwZqLkhEQAJub3Ae6+4/8Cf08kiB8vTd4 f3U8s7SOnfP371Jv72F1QbA1Ar4qSL7eTQF2/aybMpnNx9zIIE/DD6x52l1qmREm fCis2CrxlhzFlS5cx7IQipmJlo+DtiPT9dUS+FfeMoy1zuLojFFGIUt11bgW6uiK 9JpP1VDCS16PxdclfpPr1a36LIppU2Izr4d/Yxrl/N3Xnk8zPMNTBISHptoMSNNZ lme/Txm5D9wY3UVTivvxx39mGtP74whMTeqrvJflrJGs9hXBGHu197JzuNhvL/8N tVGFl2rikaDmQJOFC0N37lj59512Ch6pvfMoIJQB+ppWs+6nqgp4NB8gF/Z+IcDi +qwpe2LWT4qluQ7h4k/2V/t2elhmxrZMEMJIOm+azAh+KmotyLbckC1D2tkuELLP 07JyKwmLxAPyquT6OsruU1i57xdTCIM9TN1G78IcfSGlaN90oHOhPQxfvL6Xz/+N SERxxlJjt/ofb9tU2UFBNPHEIKbgwHmBiYFr3NkG8FXb55abCUVX51d/4vg+iChO k8KKUmyY7Ny4vPmQXMBUnojOUnMxhpfV4kuBtRLOcn3hGq66xKJ+oeb6S9SC0bZV ylDXagHzPKjZSfzwRBg/DohNVPVImWNG7qFpfyt/o3Biy0ZW1YaDdSBBZiBaKXZ+ YTRS4fizC4ASrKg1imoL =xR9N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
