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are being looked at though. Cheers Tristan *From:* jagman4...@gmail.com [mailto:jagman4...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Gordon *Sent:* Saturday, 28 December 2013 10:30 AM *To:* Tristan Goode *Cc:* openstack@lists.openstack.org *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and User

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ors and developers to have a continuous dialog. > Developers communicate today on: IRC, email and launchpad and lastly in > person twice a year at the design summit. > > > > > > > After all it does say "users" and "developers" on the summit logo. > >

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28 December 2013 12:37 AM *To:* Tristan Goode *Cc:* Mark Collier; openstack@lists.openstack.org *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the next summit On Dec 27, 2013 4:24 AM, "Tristan Goode" wrote: > > I'm having trouble seeing these great points

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rrect component with a solution described). Tim From: Tristan Goode [mailto:tris...@aptira.com] Sent: 27 December 2013 17:05 To: openstack@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the next summit I'm not at all discounting the DevOps conve

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mmit logo. > > > > > > > > From: Mark Collier [mailto:m...@collierclan.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 24 December 2013 12:30 AM > To: Sean Dague > > Cc: openstack@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the next summit >

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rs" and "developers" on the summit logo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Mark Collier [mailto:m...@collierclan.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, 24 December 2013 12:30 AM > > To: Sean Dague > > > > Cc: openstack@

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12:30 AM > To: Sean Dague > > Cc: openstack@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the next summit > > > > Thanks Sean. You and Thierry have made great points on this thread that I think give people more insight into the

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:* Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the next summit Thanks Sean. You and Thierry have made great points on this thread that I think give people more insight into the process and timing required to really impact the releases. I've fallen into the trap many times of t

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o:s...@dague.net>> Cc: "openstack@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack@lists.openstack.org>" mailto:openstack@lists.openstack.org>> Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the next summit Thanks Sean. You and Thierry have made great points o

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Thanks Sean. You and Thierry have made great points on this thread that I think give people more insight into the process and timing required to really impact the releases. I've fallen into the trap many times of thinking we can solve any problem in the world during the 10 days a year we are all t

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On 12/23/2013 07:28 AM, Sean Dague wrote: That interaction needs to come 3+ weeks before Design Summit to be effective on that cycle. Because if it's later than that, it's just too much to digest at a point where the plates are already overflowing. +1. I think if there is someone in the opera

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On 12/22/2013 12:49 PM, rob_hirschf...@dell.com wrote: > I’d like to repeat a suggestion at the Design Summit wrap up – it’s a > bit different, so patience… > > > > My suggestion was to insert a day “break” into the four day Design > Summit for users/operations. Effectively, we’d have a four d

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t thread about attaching this effort to another event a little. Thanks a ton! Matt From: Sriram Subramanian mailto:sri...@sriramhere.com>> Date: Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:17 PM To: Clint Byrum mailto:cl...@fewbar.com>> Cc: openstack mailto:openstack@lists.openstack.org>> Subjec

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anted to challenge this current thread about attaching this effort to another event a little. Thanks a ton! Matt From: Sriram Subramanian mailto:sri...@sriramhere.com>> Date: Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:17 PM To: Clint Byrum mailto:cl...@fewbar.com>> Cc: openstack mailto:openstack@li

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$.02 at least. I'll gladly do what ever, but wanted to challenge this current thread about attaching this effort to another event a little. Thanks a ton! Matt From: Sriram Subramanian Date: Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:17 PM To: Clint Byrum Cc: openstack Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing

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A good idea, and Tom and Tim's structure is just the way I envisioned the day to go, but I would really want our guys who are on the coalface here to attend the boot camp in person, and there's no way I could do that AND get them to summits. That's why I initially proposed this to begin the summit

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aching this effort to another event a little. Thanks a ton! Matt From: Sriram Subramanian mailto:sri...@sriramhere.com>> Date: Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:17 PM To: Clint Byrum mailto:cl...@fewbar.com>> Cc: openstack mailto:openstack@lists.openstack.org>> Subject:

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OSCON 2014 is AFTER next OpenStack Summit - July 20 - 24, 2014. SCALE is probably doable, with WIP proposals are due only on Jan 2nd. -Sriram On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Matthew Ray's me

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Excerpts from Matthew Ray's message of 2013-12-20 20:22:20 -0800: > Perhaps we could try to co-locate a future Operators mini-summit with > FOSDEM or SCALE (February) and/or OSCON (July)? Events like those are > conveniently scheduled between November and April and likely to already > have OpenStac

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session that the swift team ran with >> >>> the LINE guys at >> >>>> Hong Kong - that was seriously awesome to hear about and we should be >> >>> doing >> >>>> more of it. Though, I believe some of the value came from the fact >> >&

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tt Toews [mailto:everett.to...@rackspace.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, 18 December 2013 1:54 AM > >> To: Tristan Goode > >> Cc: Tom Fifield; > >> Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at > > the next > >> summit > &g

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hose that are not committing code to >> the OpenStack code base"? :D >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Everett Toews [mailto:everett.to...@rackspace.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, 18 December 2013 1:54 AM >>> To: Tristan Goode >

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Gentle mailto:a...@openstack.org>> Date: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:21 PM To: Tim Bell mailto:tim.b...@cern.ch>> Cc: "mailto:openstack@lists.openstack.org>>" mailto:openstack@lists.openstack.org>> Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the

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t; it was an > >>>> individual user stepping through their entire requirements. > >>>> Challenging > >>> the > >>>> assumptions. Quite different from a torrent of people in a room :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>

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is "all those that are not committing code > to > > the OpenStack code base"? :D > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Everett Toews [mailto:everett.to...@rackspace.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, 18 December 2013 1:54 AM > >&g

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mailto:everett.to...@rackspace.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, 18 December 2013 1:54 AM >> To: Tristan Goode >> Cc: Tom Fifield; >> Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at > the next >> summit >> >> Hi Tristan, >> >

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at 3:24 AM, Tristan Goode wrote: > > > Perfect stated Tom. Thank you. > > > >> -Original Message----- > >> From: Tom Fifield [mailto:t...@openstack.org] > >> Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2013 11:23 AM > >> To: openstack@lists.openstack.org > >

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On 12/17/2013 04:40 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Tim Bell wrote: >> I would also propose that these user/operator points should be provided to >> the PTLs at least one month in advance of the summit. Armed with this input, >> the PTLs can factor this into the summit session planning. If there are

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o > wrangle the >> mass of comment into something that can be discussed 3. bring back in > the fearless >> operators, then have a more structured discussion about which items are > really the >> big ones - and dive deeper into those so a full understanding is had of > us

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Tim Bell wrote: > I would also propose that these user/operator points should be provided to > the PTLs at least one month in advance of the summit. Armed with this input, > the PTLs can factor this into the summit session planning. If there are needs > for a user/operator advocate in design ses

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Perfect stated Tom. Thank you. > -Original Message- > From: Tom Fifield [mailto:t...@openstack.org] > Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2013 11:23 AM > To: openstack@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the next > summit

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session-per-program as suggested, or in some other asynchronous way. Regards, Tom > > > Tim > > > > *From:*Joe Gordon [mailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 16 December 2013 18:38 > *To:* Tristan Goode > *Cc:* openstack@lists.openstack.org > *Subject:* Re: [Openst

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; I like the general direction this thread is going. > > > Tim > > > > *From:* Joe Gordon [mailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 16 December 2013 18:38 > *To:* Tristan Goode > *Cc:* openstack@lists.openstack.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the

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moving the discussion to the General list. The original message partially quoted below is on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/community/2013-December/000674.html On 12/15/2013 08:09 AM, John Dickinson wrote: > When considering any OpenStack project in production system, many > factors must be

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ll > Cc: Joe Gordon; Tristan Goode; openstack@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the > next summit > > Tim, > > +1 to your proposal to let each program have an operator focused session to > get a sense of operabi

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t; *From:* Joe Gordon [mailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 16 December 2013 18:38 > *To:* Tristan Goode > *Cc:* openstack@lists.openstack.org > *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at > the next summit > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at

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3 06:05 AM, Tristan Goode wrote: > > > I guess what I'm trying to say by "Users and Operators" covers > > > carriers and telcos. By User I mean folks that consume OpenStack > > > resources and by Operator I mean folks that supply OpenStack > > > resour

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of pain points to be considered for the next release... solutions are up to the design teams. Tim From: Joe Gordon [mailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com] Sent: 16 December 2013 18:38 To: Tristan Goode Cc: openstack@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the ne

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On 12/16/2013 09:37 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: > Do you have any examples of what kind of feedback you would like to pass > on to developers (I was unable to attend Tim's discussion of the user > survey)? Also just playing devils advocate here, but why not use our > bug system to provide feedback? I c

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ere, but why not use our bug system to provide feedback? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] > > Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2013 3:02 AM > > To: openstack@lists.openstack.org > > Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus

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Tristan Goode wrote: > I'm trying to establish a feedback loop "because" we (Operators, Users, etc) > need to better present our actual real world, evidence based Operator, User, > and even other input like Sales and Marketing experiences back into the > development teams. Much of this does and wil

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> From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] > Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2013 3:02 AM > To: openstack@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at the > next > summit > > So not that I don't think this is a worth while t

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t; > Cheers > > Tristan > > > > *From:*Kyle MacDonald [mailto:kyle.macdon...@gmail.com > <mailto:kyle.macdon...@gmail.com>] > *Sent:* Thursday, 12 December 2013 7:02 PM > *To:* Tristan Goode > *Cc:* openstack@lists.openstack.org <mailto:openstack@lists.opens

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Non-Developers actually working on and with OpenStack. :) Cheers Tristan *From:* Kyle MacDonald [mailto:kyle.macdon...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 12 December 2013 7:02 PM *To:* Tristan Goode *Cc:* openstack@lists.openstack.org *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Us

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Tristan I like this idea and agree it should be a priority. I do suggest the focus area be expanded (or a second focus day) to accommodate carriers and telcos and their operations needs (they are real operators). There is a ton of work being done by the leading telco's around NFV and SDN (many