Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 23:06 -0600, Jonathan Bryce wrote: > The current difference in implementation is that to be part of the > Core OpenStack Project, a module must receive Board approval to be in > that set. Another intended difference is that the Core OpenStack > Project definition would be used

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 09:53 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Stefano Maffulli wrote: > > On 11/14/2013 09:56 AM, Boris Renski wrote: > >> If per bylaws any integrated project can called itself "OpenStack Blah" > >> then we return to the question of current difference between integrated > >> and core.

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 07:40 +, Radcliffe, Mark wrote: > We need to distinguish between (1) adding the modules to the "Core > OpenStack Project" which requires a recommendation by the TC and > approval by the Board and (2) adding the modules to an integrated > release (including Core OpenStack P

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-17 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Mark, On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 07:58 -0600, m...@openstack.org wrote: > Yes. > > Also, there are two trademark concepts being mixed here. > > 1) > *Can* the projects themselves use the word "OpenStack" such as > "OpenStack Orchestration"? > Answer: yes absolutely. This is already a done deal a

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-16 Thread Rob_Hirschfeld
Note to self: paddle faster. From: Boris Renski [mailto:bren...@mirantis.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:02 AM To: Thierry Carrez Cc: openstack@lists.openstack.org Openstack; Subject: Re: [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee In this case, statement by Mark below

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-15 Thread Zane Bitter
On 14/11/13 18:41, Jonathan Bryce wrote: To Mark’s earlier point, this is the relevant language in 4.1(b) (http://www.openstack.org/legal/bylaws-of-the-openstack-foundation/): "The other modules which are part of the OpenStack Project, but not the Core OpenStack Project may not be identified u

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-15 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: > On 11/14/2013 09:56 AM, Boris Renski wrote: >> If per bylaws any integrated project can called itself "OpenStack Blah" >> then we return to the question of current difference between integrated >> and core. It seems like there is no alignment. Jonathan's opinion >> contrad

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Jonathan Bryce
The current difference in implementation is that to be part of the Core OpenStack Project, a module must receive Board approval to be in that set. Another intended difference is that the Core OpenStack Project definition would be used as a means of collecting the projects for various trademark l

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 11/14/2013 09:56 AM, Boris Renski wrote: > If per bylaws any integrated project can called itself "OpenStack Blah" > then we return to the question of current difference between integrated > and core. It seems like there is no alignment. Jonathan's opinion > contradicts Thierry's. I don't see

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Monty Taylor
I believe the part of the thing Jonathan was referencing that the TC is talking about is the final line of 4.1(b): "The Secretary shall maintain a list of the modules in the Core OpenStack Project which shall be posted on the Foundation’s website." Which led us to believe that we needed to sugges

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Boris Renski
OK, I am totally confused then. If per bylaws any integrated project can called itself "OpenStack Blah" then we return to the question of current difference between integrated and core. It seems like there is no alignment. Jonathan's opinion contradicts Thierry's. Perhaps, we should all just agre

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Boris Renski
Just to clear, I have nothing against Heat or Ceilometer calling themselves OpenStack Orchestration and OpenStack Metering respectively. What I am trying to understand is the current difference between core and integrated projects and it doesn't sound like anybody knows. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Jonathan Bryce
To Mark’s earlier point, this is the relevant language in 4.1(b) (http://www.openstack.org/legal/bylaws-of-the-openstack-foundation/): "The other modules which are part of the OpenStack Project, but not the Core OpenStack Project may not be identified using the OpenStack trademark except when

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Boris Renski
In this case, statement by Mark below is inaccurate. Until BoD passes the resolution for Heat to call itself, "OpenStack Orchestration" (which I don't believe it has), Heat remains "an integrated project called Heat" and NOT "OpenStack Orchestration" Am I getting it right? > *Can* the projects t

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Boris Renski
None of this answers the question of "what is currently the difference between core and integrated." I agree with everything you said, but it sounds to me like *integrated* = *core* at this point. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Troy Toman wrote: > > > - Troy > > > On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:35 AM

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Troy Toman
- Troy > On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > Boris Renski wrote: >> So if I am interpreting this correctly, we are doing away with the >> concept of Core entirely until after the interop work is done? >> >> Otherwise, I am a bit unclear as to the difference between "integ

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
Boris Renski wrote: > None of this answers the question of "what is currently the difference > between core and integrated." I agree with everything you said, but it > sounds to me like *integrated* = *core* at this point. Well, no. "Integrated" is the list of projects we produce and release tog

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
Boris Renski wrote: > So if I am interpreting this correctly, we are doing away with the > concept of Core entirely until after the interop work is done? > > Otherwise, I am a bit unclear as to the difference between "integrated" > and "core" at this point? I fear that the term "core" is way to

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/14/2013 08:58 AM, m...@openstack.org wrote: > Yes. > > Also, there are two trademark concepts being mixed here. > > 1) *Can* the projects themselves use the word "OpenStack" such as > "OpenStack Orchestration"? Answer: yes absolutely. This is already a > done deal and we are already doing

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread mark
Yes. Also, there are two trademark concepts being mixed here. 1) *Can* the projects themselves use the word "OpenStack" such as "OpenStack Orchestration"?  Answer: yes absolutely. This is already a done deal and we are already doing it in practice. And its covered under the bylaws once they ar

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/14/2013 03:24 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Joshua McKenty wrote: >> Thierry, I'll make sure this motion lands on the agenda for discussion >> at the next board meeting. I don't see a gerritt entry for that motion, >> though - where is the vote recorded? > > The review is at: > https://revie

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
Joshua McKenty wrote: > Thierry, I'll make sure this motion lands on the agenda for discussion > at the next board meeting. I don't see a gerritt entry for that motion, > though - where is the vote recorded? The review is at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55375/ The votes also appear on the gi

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-13 Thread Joshua McKenty
Thierry, I'll make sure this motion lands on the agenda for discussion at the next board meeting. I don't see a gerritt entry for that motion, though - where is the vote recorded? Since I have grave concerns about the use of the term OpenStack in relationship to either of these projects (in eit