Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-14 Thread Anders Arnholm
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 02:30:24PM -0400, Robert Martin wrote: > Dusting off an old statement > > The 3PVp will be a semi joke until LL decides to put up a compile farm > and begin creating "signed builds". Even not using proxies and other > cloaking all somebody has to do is get the source for a

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-13 Thread Jamey Fletcher
Robert Martin wrote: > Dusting off an old statement > The 3PVp will be a semi joke until LL decides to put up a compile farm > and begin creating "signed builds". Even not using proxies and other > cloaking all somebody has to do is get the source for a listed viewer > and then hack and recompile

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-13 Thread Dirk Moerenhout
It'll be possible to copy content as long as there are viewers. If you can see it on your screen there is always a way to make a copy that is reusable. Now obviously, all client issues aside, it's perfectly possible to identify copies if they are loaded back into SL. As long as they're not signific

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-13 Thread Argent Stonecutter
On 2010-04-13, at 13:30, Robert Martin wrote: > The 3PVp will be a semi joke until LL decides to put up a compile farm > and begin creating "signed builds". Oh no! That will mean the ripoff artists will have to port over the tools they already use to inject code into Warcraft and Everquest!

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-13 Thread Robert Martin
Dusting off an old statement The 3PVp will be a semi joke until LL decides to put up a compile farm and begin creating "signed builds". Even not using proxies and other cloaking all somebody has to do is get the source for a listed viewer and then hack and recompile. Oh and They can't wait until

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-13 Thread Ron Festa
That is correct. Phillip Linden made the same arguments when he was still CEO/President of the Lab when people like Prokofy cried and demanded LL take action to proactively prevent criminal activity on the grid especially when it involves IP rights. Its a truth that Phillip recognized that authorit

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-13 Thread Erik Anderson
I've heard Linden Labs make this exact same argument multiple times in the past in response to resident reaction over this, so I'm fairly sure that they are very fully aware of this fact. 2010/4/13 Ron Festa > Whether or not these tools are long term effective is irrelevant. The fact > these too

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-13 Thread Ron Festa
Whether or not these tools are long term effective is irrelevant. The fact these tools exist is simply the point Dale was trying to make. The whole TPVP is a "Feel Good" Policy to delude residents into believing Linden Lab can prevent the criminal element from having the tools to grief or violate I

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-12 Thread Rob Nelson
Certain griefer viewers already bypass this form of profiling. I won't detail how. Fred Rookstown On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 16:03 -0700, Erik Anderson wrote: > Yah, but it might start looking a bit suspicious if it looks like > you're using computers as one-time pads, always using a different > syst

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-12 Thread Erik Anderson
Yah, but it might start looking a bit suspicious if it looks like you're using computers as one-time pads, always using a different system for each connection for a certain account? Might not be as easily detectable for the short-term accounts that get banned within minutes, but anything with hist

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-12 Thread Dale Glass
В сообщении от Вторник 13 апреля 2010 00:52:48 вы написали: > There's still other facets. For example, the approved viewers get some > publicity and reputation by being on the approved viewers page, and it > makes people think that much harder about using sketchy viewers to do > sketchy things.

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-12 Thread Boroondas Gupte
On 04/12/2010 10:52 PM, Celierra Darling wrote: > (As an aside, connecting from the same account and/or same IP with > random MACs seems pretty obviously strange and detectable. Does it? I'd assume someone testing network cards of different manufacturers for SL compatibility would cause a very simi

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-12 Thread Celierra Darling
There's still other facets. For example, the approved viewers get some publicity and reputation by being on the approved viewers page, and it makes people think that much harder about using sketchy viewers to do sketchy things. (And yeah, they have to do one extra sketchy thing, as Thomas mention

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-12 Thread Thomas Grimshaw
This was always going to happen, and it will continue to happen. Of course in this case, the "proxy" counts as the third party viewer really, and is in violation of the TPV. Not that violating the TPV really matters. Tom. Dale Glass wrote: > Today I heard that there's already a proxy available