On 24/03/2010 4:35 PM, Tony Agudo wrote:
that user can point to specifically that section of the TPV Policy and
claim "By this, you *are* legally liable for my problems, I can
actually sue you".
And herein lies why the construction thats sought to be advanced by
those who have made rumblings on
(Delurking here just to throw in my $L2; standard IANAL disclaimer)
Joe, most of the TPV Policy *is* reasonable and nobody(except obviously
malicious viewer creators) is disputing that requiring reasonable, common
sense responsibilities to keep viewers honest is bad at all, it's simply
that Sectio
On 24/03/2010 1:57 PM, Joe Linden wrote:
> Let me take just one more crack at explaining the situation here, then
> I'll let the TPV Policy document stand on it's own.
>
> First, the Linden Lab viewer source code is being made available to
> all under the terms of the GPLv2 License. Nothing has
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Joe Linden wrote:
> I've seen some very dramatic "exits" from the SL open source program here
> in this thread by people who have never contributed. We're making a number
> of changes to the practice and policy of what we will permit to connect to
> our grid so
Thanks Joe for just confirming our concerns.
> If a developer of a TPV never uses it to connect to SL, there is nothing in
> that
> document that applies to them. Period. By the same token, if that viewer is
> designed and intended to be used to access the Second Life grid(s) there are
> respon
Just some thoughts in passing
Precedent has been set in cases that clickwrap agreements take precedence
and supercede any conflicting statements in shrinkwrap agreements.
Although it has not been stated, it is logical that Linden Labs will make
the TPV pop up as a clickwrap agreem
Let me take just one more crack at explaining the situation here, then I'll
let the TPV Policy document stand on it's own.
First, the Linden Lab viewer source code is being made available to all
under the terms of the GPLv2 License. Nothing has changed that, and the
policy doesn't modify, enhance
I'm not going to bother trying to educate you about photosensitivity
since you clearly don't have it. I'll just suggest you go read the SLU
forums and elsewhere, where people with epilepsy and other
photosensitvity problems are talking about this. And also suggest you
take note of the epilepsy
Not to be rude, but if people are getting vertigo, epilepsy, etc. from
SL...viewer 2.0 isn't going to make a difference. Viewer 1.23 would have
the same effect. Maybe not in your coveted sidebar, but it SL in general.
You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. This is common knowledge. LCD
moni
Boy's right, too.
* FAQs are not legally binding.
* Comments on a mailing list are not legally binding.
* Policies attached to a Terms of Service agreement ARE legally binding
once we agree to them.
I am not going to do any further development of any type of software for
Second Life until I
[CC Philip]
Boy Lane's article is the clearest summary of the whole sorry situation so
far.
I hope that his very accurate analysis is handed to someone at high level in
LL, because it is clear that no Lindens on this list are able or willing to
engage in the matter. The lawyers behind the scenes
While this is an amazing idea I love, that of being able to use some 3rd
party tool for the task, I do not own Poser, and $250 US, it's a bit steep
just to edit my appearance.
I think there should be in-UI tools for editing your avvie's appearance, but
the addition of integrating external tools wo
They always did have that ability, but they can't randomly invent a
new policy and then sue you for it
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Tigro Spottystripes
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> i dunno about the legal part, but they already have the power (and
> according t
[replying back to list]
Thanks for the clarifications. :-)
Breaking well established norms of UI design (ie the File menu, to
repeat one; there are others) makes the whole thing difficult for new
users. Why not at least put that menu back - leave the existing file
oeprations where they are, bu
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i dunno about the legal part, but they already have the power (and
according to the TOS the right) to deprive you of your SL account, and
mangle your SL assets
On 23/3/2010 17:38, Gareth Nelson wrote:
> Yes, they can - but they can't sue you and claim
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Thomas Schindler <
thomas.schind...@t-systems-mms.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I have a question to the llcamera.cpp code. There is a function that
> calculates frustum planes. Four variables are existing: top, bottom, left,
> right. The bottom is the negative
Good review here of the 2.0 interface:
http://zhaewry.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/viewer2-0-beta-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-and-the-odd/
Personally, I find the UI highly unintuitive, plus it breaks decades of
well established "rules", like having file operations all in the top
menu bar, under "File
Yes, they can - but they can't sue you and claim damages, which is
quite a massive difference
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Tigro Spottystripes
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> The thing is, according to the TOS, LL can already deny you access to
> all your account
People on forums have said they know where such behavior can occur, and
avoid those places. Clubs, mainland sandboxes, etc. But you'd have to
ask them.
At any rate, that's not particularly relevant here. Up until now no one
has had any reason to be wary of an LL viewer. But now, someone could
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The thing is, according to the TOS, LL can already deny you access to
all your account related data for any or no reason, and they can delete
anything they want in their own machines for any or no reason as well...
On 23/3/2010 16:58, Gareth Nelson wr
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Btw, how do those people that have seizure issues deal with the
possibility of people having quickly changing particle emitters,
suddenly rezzed prims, fast moving big objects etc?
On 23/3/2010 16:51, Maya Remblai wrote:
> Ok, I was trying to be diplo
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:12:14 -0300, Tigro Spottystripes
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> How about Google Wave? (i'm not for nor against it, that was a completly
> unbiased question)
And/or IRC relay.
New thread on tools?
opensource obscure
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How about Google Wave? (i'm not for nor against it, that was a completly
unbiased question)
On 23/3/2010 11:12, Aleric Inglewood wrote:
> Having the IW meetings always at the same time and the same day of the week
> locks some people out.
>
> Me for
In other news, an email provider today produced a list of requirements
for third party email client developers - I have an account with them,
but their TOS doesn't mention this list of requirements and they never
mentioned these requirements when I signed up for the account.
Should I worry about t
Ok, I was trying to be diplomatic, but now I'm going to be frank.
It disturbs me that LL is ignoring how dangerous the shifting behavior
of the sidebar and the blinking and winking of 2.0 is. Some people have
already had or come close to having seizures because of it, and people
without epileps
On 2010-03-23, at 13:30, Henri Beauchamp wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:16:32 -0500, Argent Stonecutter wrote:
>> On 2010-03-23, at 05:50, Henri Beauchamp wrote:
>>> Whether or not I'll develop a v2.0 branch depends on how much work
>>> will be needed to revert the whole UI (yes !) to the one curr
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Aleric Inglewood <
aleric.inglew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Having the IW meetings always at the same time and the same day of the week
> locks some people out.
>
> Me for example. I can never attend on Thursdays. I'd really appreciate it
> if it was possible to h
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:16:32 -0500, Argent Stonecutter wrote:
> On 2010-03-23, at 05:50, Henri Beauchamp wrote:
> > Whether or not I'll develop a v2.0 branch depends on how much work
> > will be needed to revert the whole UI (yes !) to the one currently
> > existing in the Cool SL Viewer (which
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Nyx Linden wrote:
> The current iteration of the appearance floater needs to go away. The
> current implementation has been held together with chicken wire, bubble
> gum, and duct tape. It works for now, but it won't hold up to the
> addition of multiple wearable
I have developed a BSD licensed viewer that is not derived from LL source
code. It is designed and intended for use with OpenSimulator, however since
it uses Linden Lab protocols it is capable of connecting to the Secondlife
grid, although functionality is impaired. I have no intention of making it
The current iteration of the appearance floater needs to go away. The
current implementation has been held together with chicken wire, bubble
gum, and duct tape. It works for now, but it won't hold up to the
addition of multiple wearables of a given type. The currently designed
plan is to ext
Robin Cornelius wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Dzonatas Sol wrote:
>
>> I found a workable solution.
>>
>> $ mkdir /tmp/extralibs
>> $ wget
>> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gdbm/libgdbm3_1.8.3-3_i386.deb
>> $ wget
>> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tcp-wrapp
Boroondas Gupte wrote:
> On 03/23/2010 06:12 AM, Philippe (Merov) Bossut wrote:
>> - Mailing list: may be the most widely used tool. The problem I see
>> with it is that it mixes everything: small requests, long
>> discussions, policies, technicalities, etc... Other FLOSS projects
>> use a varie
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Dzonatas Sol wrote:
> I found a workable solution.
>
> $ mkdir /tmp/extralibs
> $ wget
> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gdbm/libgdbm3_1.8.3-3_i386.deb
> $ wget
> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tcp-wrappers/libwrap0_7.6.q-16_i386.deb
> $ dp
As I've said before, If you don't like it, fix it. The code is there so
think up something more useful and do it. Giving an example is a great
idea. I use the adobe suite often; however, the Lindens already have spent
plenty of money with a design company to get the look that they want.
Switchi
I found a workable solution.
$ mkdir /tmp/extralibs
$ wget
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gdbm/libgdbm3_1.8.3-3_i386.deb
$ wget
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tcp-wrappers/libwrap0_7.6.q-16_i386.deb
$ dpkg -x libgdbm3_1.8.3-3_i386.deb /tmp/extralibs
$ dpkg -x libwrap0_7
Having the IW meetings always at the same time and the same day of the week
locks some people out.
Me for example. I can never attend on Thursdays. I'd really appreciate it
if it was possible to have the meetings regularly on another day of the
week. Maybe every two weeks on thursdays and every tw
On 03/23/2010 06:12 AM, Philippe (Merov) Bossut wrote:
> - Mailing list: may be the most widely used tool. The problem I see
> with it is that it mixes everything: small requests, long discussions,
> policies, technicalities, etc... Other FLOSS projects use a variety of
> lists, breaking things in
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Morgaine wrote:
> Although some people will probably suggest that the *real* likelihood of
> getting the sidebar dropped is nil, I think we should take the moral high
> ground here and assume that the sidebar too is subject to community
> feedback. Let's assume th
Bryon Ruxton wrote ..
> Could you please stop putting everything into that sidebar as the only way
> to access stuff.
Yah, it's just bad. Have a look at the Adobe Creative Suite UIs. You can hide
any single submenu or entry, you can mark each one with one of several colors,
you can move around
That is the same error as one gets with (32bit) skype
when running it on 64bit debian. The work around there
is to make the audiopulse libs unreadable (chmod -r)
so that they are skipped.
It smells like an OS bug because it seems related to
64bit systems only? Ie, a lib32* package needs a fix?
On
I've put my summary about TVP on my blog
http://my.opera.com/boylane/blog/linden-labs-final-3rd-party-viewer-policy-tpv
Linden Lab's final 3rd Party Viewer Policy (TPV)
TUESDAY, 23. MARCH 2010, 19:15:03
A lot of things are changing, I've voiced my opinion several times, and I want
to summarize
On 2010-03-23, at 05:50, Henri Beauchamp wrote:
> Whether or not I'll develop a v2.0 branch depends on how much work
> will be
> needed to revert the whole UI (yes !) to the one currently existing
> in the
> Cool SL Viewer (which is a (much) improved, pre-voice UI).
As in, would it be easier t
On 2010-03-23, at 00:12, Philippe (Merov) Bossut wrote:
> - Forum: there is actually one for Open Source
> (https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/forums/open-source
> ). I know that some folks at LL prefers this at it allows to create
> topics and sub threads more easily. I went there today an
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:57:54 +, Morgaine wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Bryon Ruxton wrote:
>
>- Could you please stop putting everything into that sidebar as the only
>way to access stuff. You've kept wanting to make this "communicator window
> "
>before into a single
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Philippe (Merov) Bossut
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Each tool has its pluses and minuses and we use a variety of them:
> - IW meetings: we have our weekly Hippo meeting and I truly encourage folks
> to come. It's my favorite comm tool personally as it's a dedicated moment
> a
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