I have a strong urge to produce a viewer which violates this policy,
relying solely on the rights granted by the existing GPL. I will never
use this viewer myself to login to SL, and thus reject any of these
terms. Any developers who object to this policy should follow suit.
A few questions:
If I
You gotta be kiddin me !! I call that a stab in the back. You guys
disgust me.
Your Third-Party Viewer name must not be confusingly similar to or use
any part of a Linden Lab trademark, including “Second,” “Life,”
“SL,” or “Linden.” For example:
You must not have a Third-Party Viewer name t
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is the policy just a set of requisites for a client to be included in
the list LL will have on their site or to be allowed to connect to Agni
at all?
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Hi,
So, Snowglobe 2 is out there and ready to build/hack. Well, almost. What we
have today is basically the Viewer 2.0 beta source code + all the Snowglobe
branding on top of it but lots of Snowglobe specific features are still
missing. Before I go into the details of what's left to be done (and w
>From my reading, you get banned in all four cases, since you
automatically take responsibility for the users' activities (Section 7
3PVP).
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 07:08 +0200, Imaze Rhiano wrote:
> First I want to thank LL from efforts to create ethical guidelines for
> respectable viewers. Unfort
First I want to thank LL from efforts to create ethical guidelines for
respectable viewers. Unfortunately I don't think that these rules are
going to work in reality where we are living.(And as others have already
pointed out - there might be incompatible with GPL and other licenses.)
Let's ima
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Trilo Byte wrote:
> Awesome to see something posted so quickly (though huge shame that testing
> resources like this group and BSI weren't utilized).
>
> Can't help but notice we've lost some functionality from Snowglobe 1.3
> namely the drop down to choose th
On 2/23/2010 6:05 PM, Lawson English wrote:
Vex Streeter wrote:
Soft Linden wrote:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Mike Dickson
wrote:
On 02/23/2010 02:16 PM, Gigs wrote:
http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php
You all realize this is massively incompatible with the GPL, right?
Not at al
Gigs is totally right that http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php is
completely incompatible with the GPL.
Specifically, TPV clause 1c is incompatible with GPLv2 clause 6.
GPLv2 has a FAQ that elaborates on this point, highlighting from clause 6
that:
- "*You may not impose any further rest
malachi schrieb:
> sorry thomas but the idea that a person can be detected by skills system
> while running LL's client on a name that is new today and never been
> logged in on any other client... shows that the information used to
> detect if a person has 'ever' used a bad client is coming fro
sorry thomas but the idea that a person can be detected by skills system
while running LL's client on a name that is new today and never been
logged in on any other client... shows that the information used to
detect if a person has 'ever' used a bad client is coming from the
persons computer.
Awesome to see something posted so quickly (though huge shame that testing
resources like this group and BSI weren't utilized).
Can't help but notice we've lost some functionality from Snowglobe 1.3
namely the drop down to choose the user name on login, and panning around the
mini-map. Wha
malachi schrieb:
> im curious as to how this will apply to clients and bots that seem to
> have the ability to not only gather agents ip addresses but by obtaining
> this information raid those agents computers searching for data...
> particularly the new copybot detection system by an unmention
im curious as to how this will apply to clients and bots that seem to
have the ability to not only gather agents ip addresses but by obtaining
this information raid those agents computers searching for data...
particularly the new copybot detection system by an unmentioned
developer. The fact t
I believe you're referring to avatar_lad.xml, which is stored in the
character subdirectory of your client's install directory.
If you have any specific questions on it, please let me know!
-Nyx
Robert Martin wrote:
> ive been trying to get somebody to code an editor for SL clothing and
> one
ive been trying to get somebody to code an editor for SL clothing and
one of the things ive found is a file deep somewhere in the tree that
has the parameters of the avatar in a nice neat list.
The question is since i seem to have dumped the original could
somebody remind me where this file is in t
Hi here!
I was pondering:
Could existing test plans for viewer 2 be published in the public wiki?
It would certainly be cool to have these, since localization teams are now
asked to provide bug reports for localized versions. Having some kind of
step by step plan to cover all viewer parts would ce
Thanks LL, you killed my viewer that I have developed alone for two
years and was probably a week away from releasing, due to one stupid
copyright enfarcement rule: No "Life" in the name. Do you realize how
much documentation, sourcecode, licensing, subdomains, bug trackers,
wiki, images, logos, g
I am still trying to compile the viewer by trying every tutorial I can find. I
pasted the link to the wiki site below in which I am having issues. I am
currently in the proccess of downloading a copy of .NET 2003 from the MSDNA so
that I can open the Apache files without them corrupting on me.
Latif Khalifa wrote:
> It also means that now I need to hire a lawyer in order to continue to
> make and distribute my text viewer (Radegast), with special features
> aimed at people with disabilities. The terms mandate that I need to
> have an official privacy policy published, and I also need to
It also means that now I need to hire a lawyer in order to continue to
make and distribute my text viewer (Radegast), with special features
aimed at people with disabilities. The terms mandate that I need to
have an official privacy policy published, and I also need to to show
SL ToS to users (and
> We may ask you to make changes
> to your Third-Party Viewer if it disables certain of our services, or
> if we believe it is inconsistent with the principle of shared
> experience or otherwise negatively affects the Second Life user
> experience. If we do, you agree to make the changes we request
I love the text only viewers. Would hate to see them disappear.
How about SLIM? I realize that can probably be categorized as a separate
service that's not a "viewer," but you could also see it as a "chat only"
viewer.
Could a third-party text-only viewer be considered compliant with 1h if it
m
Vex Streeter wrote:
> Soft Linden wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Mike Dickson wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/23/2010 02:16 PM, Gigs wrote:
>>>
http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php
You all realize this is massively incompatible with the GPL, right?
>>> No
Soft Linden wrote:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Mike Dickson wrote:
On 02/23/2010 02:16 PM, Gigs wrote:
http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php
You all realize this is massively incompatible with the GPL, right?
Not at all. They're not restri
Robin Cornelius wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Soft Linden wrote:
>> Mike's correct.
>>
>> If you see any wording that's ambiguous about that, let us know.
>
>
> Well there are many other issues another couple are :-
>
There are many many other issues.
* It gives Linden Lab the abi
The Debian (Sun) Java runtime package has such an agreement requirement
or did at one point.
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 20:37 +, Robin Cornelius wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Soft Linden wrote:
> > Mike's correct.
> >
> > If you see any wording that's ambiguous about that, let us know
Are you sure? I'd think that denying connection to their services would
not be limited in any way by the GPL. But IANAL.
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 15:16 -0500, Gigs wrote:
> http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php
>
> You all realize this is massively incompatible with the GPL, right?
>
>
>
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Soft Linden wrote:
> Mike's correct.
>
> If you see any wording that's ambiguous about that, let us know.
Well there are many other issues another couple are :-
1h "Central to Second Life is the principle of shared experience. The
services we provide through our
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Robin Cornelius wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Soft Linden wrote:
> > Mike's correct.
> >
> > If you see any wording that's ambiguous about that, let us know.
> > ___
>
>
> Well you seem to have spelled the
Howard Look wrote:
> from here. But I want to reiterate: *We are committed to open source and
> to supporting the open development community.* We embrace the notion
> that this community develops viewers that serve the needs of a wide
> range of Residents while we pursue a broader consumer marke
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Robin Cornelius
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Soft Linden wrote:
>> Mike's correct.
>>
>> If you see any wording that's ambiguous about that, let us know.
>> ___
>
>
> Well you seem to have spelled the end of
For a while I've been batting around the idea of creating an SVN-bot to
enable much-improved version control for inworld scripts; a must-have when
you're developing as part of a team. The same-creator policy on content
export would seem to prohibit that though.
I realize that you probably don't w
Soft Linden wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Mike Dickson wrote:
>> On 02/23/2010 02:16 PM, Gigs wrote:
>>> http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php
>>>
>>> You all realize this is massively incompatible with the GPL, right?
>>>
>> Not at all. They're not restricting access to the code. T
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Soft Linden wrote:
> Mike's correct.
>
> If you see any wording that's ambiguous about that, let us know.
> ___
Well you seem to have spelled the end of my debian/ubuntu project, I
can not meet the tems of the third par
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Mike Dickson wrote:
>
> On 02/23/2010 02:16 PM, Gigs wrote:
> > http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php
> >
> > You all realize this is massively incompatible with the GPL, right?
> >
> Not at all. They're not restricting access to the code. They're
> restricting
On 02/23/2010 02:16 PM, Gigs wrote:
> http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php
>
> You all realize this is massively incompatible with the GPL, right?
>
>
> ___
> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here:
> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open
http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php
You all realize this is massively incompatible with the GPL, right?
___
Policies and (un)subscribe information available here:
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev
Please read the policies before postin
Hi Open Source devs,
As you probably saw, we just launched Viewer 2 to public Beta. We've been dark
for a long time, but it is for good reason: We needed to do a total overhaul of
our user experience and that's not something best done by a large group.
Honestly, there are times when we had an a
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Carlo Wood wrote:
> There is no need for A != B.
>
> Why not define the words A and B such that A includes B? B \in A
>
> Then you can still talk about the subject, since there is still a C = A
> \not B,
> such that the intersection of B and C is empty.
>
For
Marine Kelley wrote:
> Exactly my thinking too, the problem us not clear whether the players
> are cooperative or in competition. It totally changes the result.
>
> But I guess that the real goal of this challenge is to call you
> "stupid" and to gauge your reaction. If you yell or punch the
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