[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Code gates

2006-03-09 Thread UNIX admin
> Many are, though. At present, since we're teamware > based, the following > happens: Thank You for a detailed explanation; it kind of sounds like an ungrateful yet fascinating job. Depending on which SCM you will switch, making all these hooks work migh get easier. For instance, Subversion's

[osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris Community Newsletter ---- February 2006

2006-03-09 Thread Eric Boutilier
Jim Grisanzio wrote: Linda Bernal wrote: Here is an update on OpenSolaris for the month of February: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/content/newsletter/feb06/ We are accepting contributions for the March newsletter, please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to include some ne

RE: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneabletosetthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-09 Thread David McDaniel \(damcdani\)
However, many of the <4M binaries also dynamically link with many libraries which individually are also <4M. But in the in the aggregate they are >4M and thrash the 512x8K itlb beyond recognition. I did a little experiment with this (posted on performance:discuss) wherein I took such an app and a

[osol-discuss] FOSDEM streams - source, community, knowledge and standards

2006-03-09 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Some of the streams for FOSDEM are available - http://free-electrons.com/community/videos/conferences ftp://ftp.belnet.be/pub/mirror/FOSDEM In particular those links include the DTrace talk and tutorial, and an interesting keynote from my perspective - "Flipping the Switch to Freedom (...a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Bi-weekly roll-up report experiment

2006-03-09 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Eric Boutilier wrote: I'll do whatever people want of course. Here are some options I'll throw out, off the top of my head: 1. Create another list as Glynn suggested 2. Don't post them to a list a. Post them to a page on opensolaris.org instead b. Post them to my blog instead 3. Don't ch

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the defaultpagesize

2006-03-09 Thread Eric Lowe
Holger Berger wrote: To make matters worse, Solaris (unlike many other OS's) ties page_t structures to particular physical addresses, and there is plenty of code that assumes p_pagenum can't change even if the page isn't locked. This complicates the issues of separating out the "page size" the us

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable tosetthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-09 Thread Eric Lowe
Holger Berger wrote: US3 only has one TLB set with 512 entries for 8k pages. US3+ improved this by the addition of another TLB set with 512 entries for 4M pages - anything between these points - 64k and 512k pages - was ignored. Today this design shows it's drawbacks as "automatic" MPSS has only

[osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the defaultpagesize

2006-03-09 Thread Holger Berger
> To make matters worse, Solaris (unlike many other > OS's) ties page_t structures to particular physical > addresses, and there is plenty of code that assumes > p_pagenum can't change even if the page isn't locked. > This complicates the issues of separating out the > "page size" the user sees and

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
What I *think* you're trying to say is that someone who has a GPL'd driver in his hands could in theory port it to Open Solaris and then publish the result on his own (not back through Sun). And another person who wanted it could download and use it. And that all of this forms another distribu

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread James Carlson
Artem Kachitchkine writes: > > > I don't think that's an Open Solaris question at all. You can run any > > software you want, so long as you follow the terms of the license > > granted to you for it. > > Or to paraphrase: go read GPL, silly; if you don't understand what it says, > don't write c

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Community Newsletter ---- February 2006

2006-03-09 Thread Sara Dornsife
Jim Grisanzio wrote: Sara Dornsife wrote: Jim, Here's an idea. How about associating something visual with our newsletter, like a logo? > -Linda Hey, I like it. The newsletter lives on the site now, so we should have some flexibility graphically. I'd love for us to come up with a name

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
I don't think that's an Open Solaris question at all. You can run any software you want, so long as you follow the terms of the license granted to you for it. Or to paraphrase: go read GPL, silly; if you don't understand what it says, don't write code for Solaris. It seems like a reasonable

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Eric Enright
On 3/9/06, Bill Rushmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Darren J Moffat wrote: > > > > Basically I'm saying it isn't that easy you must consult a real > > lawyer. We inside Sun have to consult a lawyer every time we > > want to add any free/open source software into a Sun product

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread James Carlson
Artem Kachitchkine writes: > > > case-by-case open source legal review process for incoming code. > > Not all code is "incoming", some is simply "out there". E.g. one question > that > comes up over and over again is: for a 100% GPL driver, available from the > author's web page as binary+sour

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Community Newsletter ---- February 2006

2006-03-09 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Sara Dornsife wrote: Jim, Here's an idea. How about associating something visual with our newsletter, like a logo? > -Linda Hey, I like it. The newsletter lives on the site now, so we should have some flexibility graphically. I'd love for us to come up with a name and a logo. Maybe Sara ca

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to setthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-09 Thread Holger Berger
On 3/9/06, Dave Marquardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Holger" == Holger Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> The problem here is that you lose most of the > >> benefits in the kernel if the > >> size is tunable, in one of two directions: > >> > >> either you still have 8k pages in the kernel

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable tosetthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-09 Thread Holger Berger
On 3/9/06, Eric Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > [...] > > Comparing SF68k/SF15k with Niagara is problematic. The broken MMU design in > > the US3/4 CPU models used in these machines is not able to use a > > significant amount of 64k pages. If you still got a small performance win >

Re: [osol-discuss] Has OpenSolaris' code ever been checked with tools such as Coverty ?

2006-03-09 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Yann POUPET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-09 09:33]: > Hello, > > I don't know if this is the right place for this question, I hope so ... > > I was just wondering if OpenSolaris' code has ever been checked/audited with > tools that attempt to discover bugs, such as Coverty. > > http://scan.co

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to setthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-09 Thread Dave Marquardt
"Holger" == Holger Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The problem here is that you lose most of the >> benefits in the kernel if the >> size is tunable, in one of two directions: >> >> either you still have 8k pages in the kernel (i.e. >> . you have >> 4x the number of page_ts than you need, a

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
case-by-case open source legal review process for incoming code. Not all code is "incoming", some is simply "out there". E.g. one question that comes up over and over again is: for a 100% GPL driver, available from the author's web page as binary+source, is it legal to download such a driver

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 16:49 +, Darren J Moffat wrote: > GPL as a standalone driver written to the Solaris DDI shouldn't > be a problem as long as it stays under the GPL. However there isn't > much change of that becoming part of the official OpenSolaris source > tree unless someone discovers h

[osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: OpenSolaris and Linux Format]

2006-03-09 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Dennis Clarke wrote: On 3/9/06, Laura Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Linix Format DVD is all finalized. According to the publication, BelliniX will be included on a DVD with Gentoo 2006 and SimplyMEPIS3.4-3. The DVD-BOB ISO will be posted as soon as I think it looks ready for r

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Community Newsletter ---- February 2006

2006-03-09 Thread Sara Dornsife
Jim, Here's an idea. How about associating something visual with our newsletter, like a logo? > > -Linda Hey, I like it. The newsletter lives on the site now, so we should have some flexibility graphically. I'd love for us to come up with a name and a logo. Maybe Sara can talk to us abou

[osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: OpenSolaris and Linux Format]

2006-03-09 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 3/9/06, Laura Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Linix Format DVD is all finalized. According to the publication, > BelliniX will be included on a DVD with Gentoo 2006 and SimplyMEPIS3.4-3. > The DVD-BOB ISO will be posted as soon as I think it looks ready for review. Soon I hope. I k

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable tosetthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-09 Thread Eric Lowe
Hello, [...] Comparing SF68k/SF15k with Niagara is problematic. The broken MMU design in the US3/4 CPU models used in these machines is not able to use a significant amount of 64k pages. If you still got a small performance win there then this would prove that an all-64k kernel has significant pe

[osol-discuss] [Fwd: Re: OpenSolaris and Linux Format]

2006-03-09 Thread Laura Ramsey
The Linix Format DVD is all finalized. According to the publication, BelliniX will be included on a DVD with Gentoo 2006 and SimplyMEPIS3.4-3. I've asked for copies of the publication to be sent our way so we can see how it all presented. The publication also has a feature article about OpenS

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to setthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-09 Thread Holger Berger
> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 02:14:25AM +0100, Roland > Mainz wrote: > > BTW: The discussion was about a _tuneable_ which > could be set to a value > > used as default page size (used by kernel and > returned by > > |getpagesize()|&co.) - the default for this > tuneable should remain 8k. > > It would

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:01:31AM -0800, Artem Kachitchkine wrote: > >I guess that Sun should address this - it should be clearly stated in > >a FAQ (for developers) what to do in such cases (not just - consult > >your lawyer). Is it permitted or not? What about GPL, BSD, ...? > > I think it's t

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-09 Thread UNIX admin
> You can get away without the dumpadm. Once you change > swap in the vfstab > and reboot it will automatically go to d10, at least > that works for me. > Actually I don't bother with lockfs either. But I do > add hot spares if I > have the disks spare. I like to stick to the documentation; bes

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable tosetthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-09 Thread Holger Berger
> David S. Miller wrote: > > The only thing that breaks is if apps don't call > sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE) > > or some similar function such as getpagesize() to > obtain that > > information portably. > > .. or they make assumptions about the possible range > of values. ;) > > > Or did Solaris acciden

[osol-discuss] [Fwd: Proposal to start new project on Streaming Server]

2006-03-09 Thread Gerard Fernando
Original Message Subject: Proposal to start new project on Streaming Server Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:54:18 -0800 From: Gerard Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: opensolaris-discuss@open

Re: [osol-discuss] Has OpenSolaris' code ever been checked with tools such as Coverty ?

2006-03-09 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Yann POUPET wrote: Hello, I don't know if this is the right place for this question, I hope so ... I was just wondering if OpenSolaris' code has ever been checked/audited with tools that attempt to discover bugs, such as Coverty. http://scan.coverity.com/ There may be some other similar tool

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-09 Thread Bart Smaalders
Jürgen Keil wrote: This is apparently a known issue: Bug ID: 6381203 Synopsis: deadlock due to i/o while assigning (tc_lock held) http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6381203 Fixed in build 36. - Bart -- Bart Smaalders Solaris Kernel Performance [EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
I guess that Sun should address this - it should be clearly stated in a FAQ (for developers) what to do in such cases (not just - consult your lawyer). Is it permitted or not? What about GPL, BSD, ...? I think it's totally reasonable to put out some guidelines about issues related to GPL driv

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-09 Thread Bart Smaalders
UNIX admin wrote: It's a bit of work to set up, and it's not supported. x86 only for now. You still need a UFS slice somewhere to hold the boot archive. But it does work; my 2 x 2 GHz amd box boots w/ zfs root. Once grub groks zfs, the need for the slice will go away. You mean you have a UFS

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-09 Thread Albert White
UNIX admin wrote: metainit d0 -m d11 dumpadm /dev/md/dsk/d10 (vi /etc/vfstab and modify the "swap" entry to point to /dev/md/dsk/d10) lockfs -fa; reboot You can get away without the dumpadm. Once you change swap in the vfstab and reboot it will automatically go to d10, at least that works fo

Re: [osol-discuss] Has OpenSolaris' code ever been checked with tools such as Coverty ?

2006-03-09 Thread Casper . Dik
>Hello, > >I don't know if this is the right place for this question, I hope so ... > >I was just wondering if OpenSolaris' code has ever been checked/audited with >tools that attempt to discover bugs, such as Coverty. > >http://scan.coverity.com/ > >There may be some other similar tools, and it

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-09 Thread UNIX admin
> Mirroring boot/OS disks is still a huge pain, unless > the procedure has > drastically changed in the past 2-3 years. Huh? I can set up mirroring within 45 seconds, blindfolded with both hands tied behind my back: metadb -a -f -c 3 c0d0s7 c1d0s7 metainit -f d1 1 1 c0d0s0 metainit d2 1 1 c1d0s

[osol-discuss] Has OpenSolaris' code ever been checked with tools such as Coverty ?

2006-03-09 Thread Yann POUPET
Hello, I don't know if this is the right place for this question, I hope so ... I was just wondering if OpenSolaris' code has ever been checked/audited with tools that attempt to discover bugs, such as Coverty. http://scan.coverity.com/ There may be some other similar tools, and it could be in

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread James Carlson
I really don't think this thread is at all useful or helpful, but I can't seem to resist. :-< Bill Rushmore writes: > On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Darren J Moffat wrote: > > > > Basically I'm saying it isn't that easy you must consult a real > > lawyer. We inside Sun have to consult a lawyer every time w

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Darren J Moffat
Bill Rushmore wrote: On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Darren J Moffat wrote: Basically I'm saying it isn't that easy you must consult a real lawyer. We inside Sun have to consult a lawyer every time we want to add any free/open source software into a Sun product. That is completely unrealistic for the typ

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Bill Rushmore
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Darren J Moffat wrote: > > Basically I'm saying it isn't that easy you must consult a real > lawyer. We inside Sun have to consult a lawyer every time we > want to add any free/open source software into a Sun product. That is completely unrealistic for the typical open source

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Darren J Moffat
Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Eric Enright wrote: I'm currently looking at porting a certain Linux driver to Solaris' usbser/GSD framework, and am concerned about GPL/CDDL conflicts. I know that a typical port would not be allowed, however my intent is to only use the magic numbers and

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Eric Enright wrote: > I'm currently looking at porting a certain Linux driver to Solaris' > usbser/GSD framework, and am concerned about GPL/CDDL conflicts. I > know that a typical port would not be allowed, however my intent is to > only use the magic numbers and general chip

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-09 Thread Bill Bradford
On 3/9/06, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd rather run straight UFS than have to ever deal > > with SVM/SDS again. > Why? > SVM has really come a long way. It's integrated into Solaris by default and > very reliable. > I can't count the number of times SVM has saved me, not to mentio

Re[2]: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Patrick, Thursday, March 9, 2006, 9:43:35 AM, you wrote: PM> Eric Enright wrote: >> I'm currently looking at porting a certain Linux driver to Solaris' >> usbser/GSD framework, and am concerned about GPL/CDDL conflicts. I >> know that a typical port would not be allowed, however my intent

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-09 Thread Jürgen Keil
> However I only want the following : > > (1) Take three disks and make a ZFS filesystem > (2) set the compression option on. > (2) Share it out via NFS > > Thats it. That is all. The last time I tried this (two weeks ago, ~snv_34, only one disk in the zpool), ZFS on the NFS4 server

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Casper . Dik
>Eric Enright wrote: >> I'm currently looking at porting a certain Linux driver to Solaris' >> usbser/GSD framework, and am concerned about GPL/CDDL conflicts. I >> know that a typical port would not be allowed, however my intent is to >> only use the magic numbers and general chip programming lo

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Eric Enright
On 3/9/06, Patrick Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric Enright wrote: > > I'm currently looking at porting a certain Linux driver to Solaris' > > usbser/GSD framework, and am concerned about GPL/CDDL conflicts. I > > know that a typical port would not be allowed, however my intent is to > >

Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Patrick Mauritz
Eric Enright wrote: I'm currently looking at porting a certain Linux driver to Solaris' usbser/GSD framework, and am concerned about GPL/CDDL conflicts. I know that a typical port would not be allowed, however my intent is to only use the magic numbers and general chip programming logic rather t

[osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question

2006-03-09 Thread Eric Enright
Hello list, I'm currently looking at porting a certain Linux driver to Solaris' usbser/GSD framework, and am concerned about GPL/CDDL conflicts. I know that a typical port would not be allowed, however my intent is to only use the magic numbers and general chip programming logic rather than reuse