--- Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
>
> >> I planned to upload a new blog entry trying to
> explain the idea a
> >> bit more. There were some people who
> misunderstood the
> >> proposal. They thought I wanted to compile apt
> and dpkg in an
> >> Ope
--- Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
>
> >> The idea was to use as much OpenSolaris
> software as possible.
> >> Solaris 10 included about 200 Free Software
> programs. Debian
> >> includes about 18,000. So now, try to imagine
> something like
>
Thanks for you advices.
Would you please told me more details how to add new disk
for root directory /
Regards
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UNIX admin wrote:
>>The idea was to use as much OpenSolaris software are as possible.
>>Solaris 10 included about 200 Free Software are programs. Debian
>>includes about 18,000. So now, try to imagine ine something like
>>Solaris 10 with 18,000 packages available... :-)
>
> This is inconsistent
Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
>> The idea was to use as much OpenSolaris software as possible.
>> Solaris 10 included about 200 Free Software programs. Debian
>> includes about 18,000. So now, try to imagine something like
>> Solaris 10 with 18,000 packages available... :-)
>
> Alvaro, I have bee
UNIX admin wrote:
well, we're certainly happy to work those
simultaneously, just so you know.
What do you mean?
ah, God.
"Feel free to file RFEs for ata, while we work on the process of getting you the
source for ata so you can make the change on your own."
_
UNIX admin wrote:
No estimated date; we're waiting for groups to
coordinate and give
permission at the moment.
Soon, I hope.
Me too. What is the reason that the ata driver wasn't released as source?
Does it matter?
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> So it is an enhancement and thus still worth of a
> change request (CR)
> being logged in http://bugs.opensolaris.org.
"A picture speaks a thousand words", so says an old saying. I just captured
this steamin' fresh from the RSM not but two minutes ago:
Can't open boot device
ok probe-ide
De
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 14:24, UNIX admin wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 07:52, UNIX admin wrote:
> > So you have logged the relevant bugs in
> > http://bugs.opensolaris.org
> > right ? Which bug numbers are these ?
>
> No, I haven't; It's the way the ata driver works in certain situations, and I
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 02:26:58PM -0700, UNIX admin wrote:
> Me too. What is the reason that the ata driver wasn't released as source?
In truth we're not allowed to tell you why it's not there, but you
could read our VP's blog at
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/gaw?entry=it_s_alive, which shoul
> Get 2 Euro and buy a USB-2 CompactFlash <-> USB
> adaptor.
But Joerg, I already have an ATA <---> CF adapter. I want to use a CF card as a
hard disk inside the machine, permanently attached.
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> well, we're certainly happy to work those
> simultaneously, just so you know.
What do you mean?
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On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:52:17AM -0700, UNIX admin wrote:
> When exactly will ata.c become available? There's some patch work I need to
> do on it.
The changes needed to make it available have not yet been made.
Therefore it will be in the source part of neither build 18 nor 19,
and almost cer
UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 07:52, UNIX admin wrote:
> > So you have logged the relevant bugs in
> > http://bugs.opensolaris.org
> > right ? Which bug numbers are these ?
>
> No, I haven't; It's the way the ata driver works in certain situations, and I
> don't
UNIX admin wrote:
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 07:52, UNIX admin wrote:
So you have logged the relevant bugs in
http://bugs.opensolaris.org
right ? Which bug numbers are these ?
No, I haven't; It's the way the ata driver works in certain situations, and I
don't believe it's a bug, rather an oversig
> No estimated date; we're waiting for groups to
> coordinate and give
> permission at the moment.
>
> Soon, I hope.
Me too. What is the reason that the ata driver wasn't released as source?
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> On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 07:52, UNIX admin wrote:
> So you have logged the relevant bugs in
> http://bugs.opensolaris.org
> right ? Which bug numbers are these ?
No, I haven't; It's the way the ata driver works in certain situations, and I
don't believe it's a bug, rather an oversight.
I just wa
PLEASE READ FOR CHANGE OF VENUE FOR THIS MEETING!!!
Where: Sun Menlo Park Campus, building 17 - In the Van Ness Conference room
When: Tuesday, July 26
Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm
We had a scheduling conflict with the Santa Clara Auditorium room we have been
using, but it has been decided that the sho
UNIX admin wrote:
When exactly will ata.c become available? There's some patch work I need to do
on it.
No estimated date; we're waiting for groups to coordinate and give
permission at the moment.
Soon, I hope.
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> The CDDL license does not meet with the Debian
> requirements. The
> furthest a CDDL program might reach inside Debian is
> the non-free
> section. In that perspective the idea of the new
> architecture for
> OpenSolaris becomes completely impossible.
That's good news as far as I'm concerned. I
On 7/22/05, Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 02:39:09PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > justifiably or not is a matter of opinion. Even if the CDDL wasn't an
> > obstacle, I don't believe they would accept the binary redistribution
> > guidelines that parts
> The idea was to use as much OpenSolaris software
> are as possible.
> Solaris 10 included about 200 Free Software
> are programs. Debian
> includes about 18,000. So now, try to imagine
> ine something like
>Solaris 10 with 18,000 packages available... :-)
This is inconsistent with what you
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 02:39:09PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> justifiably or not is a matter of opinion. Even if the CDDL wasn't an
> obstacle, I don't believe they would accept the binary redistribution
> guidelines that parts of ON will likely always be under.
Such fatalism! You have the fre
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
Alvaro, you really need to explain this all better, especially the
connection between OpenSolaris and other architectures.
E.g. programs like pstack, pmap, pldd and others dealing with /proc
stuff are and have been often l
> > for Debian packages to work, you need to adopt the entire Debian way of
> > thinking.
> > Bells and whistles and all.
>
> > But it'll be a fight against both the OpenSolaris community and
>
> What are the core differences WRT the "way Sun has traditionally done
> sfw and the companion CD"? A
Coming from Fedora background, I was wondering whether anyone has thought about
YUM?
Initially there were, as would be expected, talks about building a Debian-like
apt-get mechanism/environment for Fedora. But then the creator of Fedora
declared that he wanted to use YUM. At that time YUM was
Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
I planned to upload a new blog entry trying to explain the idea a
bit more. There were some people who misunderstood the
proposal. They thought I wanted to compile apt and dpkg in an
OpenSolaris environment and start creating a software repository
using the deb format. Wh
Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
>> I planned to upload a new blog entry trying to explain the idea a
>> bit more. There were some people who misunderstood the
>> proposal. They thought I wanted to compile apt and dpkg in an
>> OpenSolaris environment and start creating a software repository
>> using the
You are talking about situations in Taiwan, which are definitely not applicable
to the China market. Taiwan has a much more mature IT community and, as such,
it is much more deeply embedded in Microsoft Windows--thus making changes much
more difficult--but not insurmountable IMHO. The bigges
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Chris Ricker wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
Alvaro, you really need to explain this all better, especially the connection
between OpenSolaris and other architectures. E.g. programs like pstack, pmap,
pldd and others dealing with /proc stuff are and hav
On 7/22/05, Bryan Cantrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But it's a shame about the Debian legal opinion; is there any sort of appeal
> process, or do these opinions tend to be final?
I'm fairly certain they won't be budging on it, here's the latest
thread on choice-of-venue that I could find:
http
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
> Alvaro, you really need to explain this all better, especially the connection
> between OpenSolaris and other architectures. E.g. programs like pstack, pmap,
> pldd and others dealing with /proc stuff are and have been often life-savers
> for me and t
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Ferdinand O. Tempel wrote:
> > ...
> > I think it can be done, and I'd be willing to work on it. But it'll be a
> > fight against both the OpenSolaris community and the Debian community
> > because both aren't too thrilled about the idea.
>
> Well, yes and no. Some wouldn
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Dragan Cvetkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That was a problem discussed a few days ago. Basically, as I understand
> > it, Blastwave packages are supposed to work the same way on any Solaris
> > version (from 8 to 11) and you can't guarantee that
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Ferdinand O. Tempel wrote:
> ...
> I think it can be done, and I'd be willing to work on it. But it'll be a
> fight against both the OpenSolaris community and the Debian community because
> both aren't too thrilled about the idea.
Well, yes and no. Some wouldn't be thrilled
>Hello opensolaris-discuss,
>
> I tried to install b18 on Acer 4101WLM notebook with Pentium M
> (Sonoma) 1.6GHz with 512MB DDR2 and PCI-X.
>
> Just after kernel started it panics, stack looks like:
>
> kaif_enter+7
> kdi_dvec_enter+0x32
> panicsys+0x36f
> vpanic+0xbd
> panic+0xf
> die+0x
On 7/22/05, Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The biggest CDDL problem is that it includes a "choice-of-venue":
>
> «The problem with choice of venue clauses is that anyone who accepts
> the license must also accept the burden of defending themselves
> against charges of license vio
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
I planned to upload a new blog entry trying to explain the idea a bit
more. There were some people who misunderstood the proposal. They
thought I wanted to compile apt and dpkg in an OpenSolaris environment
and start creating a software repository
Hi all,
=
I received great feedback to my last post about the proposal of
creating Debian with OpenSolaris (a new Debian architecture using the
OpenSolaris stack).
The vastly majority of the replies support the idea. I have also
talked with some of my friends on the Debian project about
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, UNIX admin wrote:
I'm very much interested in an OpenSolaris distro which would be a next
generation of SOLARIS -- not next generation of Debian, Gentoo or
something else! In fact, just as Dennis Clarke would put it, "I'm
passionate about it."
Me too
But one thing th
And there is bug id 6293571:
http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6293571
The crashing machine in bug 6293571 is a Acer Aspire 5024wlmi
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A crash like that has already been reported on the yahoo solarix86 mailing list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/solarisx86/message/26633
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/solarisx86/message/26958
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/solarisx86/message/27017
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On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 11:33, John Plocher wrote:
> Some people simply want "mysql", while others want "mysql built on the
> blastwave infrastructure optimized for Solaris10".
I believe rpms allow you to make that distinction, exactly so
you can say "I depend on glibc but I don't care if it is Red
Chao-Feng Guo wrote:
Users are asking for the wishlist like Solaris 10 X86 3ware 9000 series RAID controller driver. I do know more people are investigating some good approaches to make the IHVs embrace the OpenSolaris. But it's a better way to have a community we could have more engaged or intere
There are two conflicting issues here:
"the bits themselves"
and
"the way the bits were built, configured and what they depend upon"
Some people simply want "mysql", while others want "mysql built on the
blastwave infrastructure optimized for Solaris10".
It seems that w
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Steve Logue wrote:
Solaris 10GA+ x86
Adaptec 2120S SCSI RAID cntr (aac)
Seagate RAID 1 mirrored drives
While running 'find / -type f -exec gmd5sum {} \;' I
would expect to see iowait time being displayed with
the 'iostat' command and 'top', but both are steadily
reporting z
When a system boots from a mirrored meta device, does it always sync from
the lowest submirror (e.g., Submirror 0) to the highest submirror (e.g.,
Submirror 1)? Is there a way to force a resynchronization from the highest
Submirror to the lowest Submirror (this would be helpful when you trash
Ginnie Wray wrote:
I also encourage people to contact docs.sun.com directly. There is a "Send
Comments" link on the docs.sun.com pages:
http://docs.sfbay/app/docs/form/comments?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.eng%2Fapp%2Fdocs
The comments are forwarded to the writer responsible for the documentation, an
Joerg Schilling wrote:
Bart Smaalders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sunil, there's an inherent race condition here; both parties wish to
release SolDoom packages; neither sees the other on google and both
release at the same time.
Even when there is 3 months difference, it seems not to work th
Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> >> > IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that
>> >> > makes Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built
>> >> > packages. Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the
>> >> > thought and effort that has gone into the Debian system, and
>> >> > a
Hello opensolaris-discuss,
I tried to install b18 on Acer 4101WLM notebook with Pentium M
(Sonoma) 1.6GHz with 512MB DDR2 and PCI-X.
Just after kernel started it panics, stack looks like:
kaif_enter+7
kdi_dvec_enter+0x32
panicsys+0x36f
vpanic+0xbd
panic+0xf
die+0xa7
trap+0xfc
Hi Jim,
Yes, that would be great if we could have a page. When can we expect
some additional information about how to get this all set up? Is there
anything that you need help with?
Thanks,
Lisa
Jim Grisanzio wrote:
Ok, cool. I'll be opening a user group community on the web site so you
c
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 07:52, UNIX admin wrote:
> When exactly will ata.c become available? There's some patch work I need to
> do on it.
So you have logged the relevant bugs in http://bugs.opensolaris.org
right ? Which bug numbers are these ?
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> Don't get ahead of yourself. Sun is run by the board of directors, whose job
> is to watch out for shareholder's interests. Maybe Jonathan or Jim could put
> it into perspective for you, why and how Solaris was released "to be shared".
Guess what,
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 07:03, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> I am shure that Sun did not call e.g. ./configure manually but
> by using a wrapper script.
As I mentioned when you brought this up previously.
The compress tar file is un unpacked, ./configure is run as
per the README file and make is run aft
UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After that, you'll have to create a one-way mirror, use a combination of
> `find + cpio` in pass-through mode (see cpio(1) man page) then once that's
> done, reboot off of the new one-way mirror, reslice the original root disk,
> add it as a submirror (th
Darren Kenny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A Debian distro based on Open Solaris is a perfectly valid idea, and for
> some people would be perfect for them - this is exactly why people like
> RedHat and Novell/SuSE have the concept of an enterprise distro and a
> Fedora Core or Novell Linux Desk
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 12:48:11AM -0700, Bob Palowoda wrote:
> > What are the core differences WRT the "way Sun has
> > traditionally done
> > sfw and the companion CD"? A list or comparison
> > would do quite a bit
> > to move this discussion from "theory/grandstanding"
> > to "a potential pla
Bart Smaalders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sunil, there's an inherent race condition here; both parties wish to
> release SolDoom packages; neither sees the other on google and both
> release at the same time.
Even when there is 3 months difference, it seems not to work this way.
See the Fdisk P
> >
> > Debian is a well integrated systems, without duplication of
> > software, with a great packaging system, 100% free, with loads of
> > ready to use software, hundreds and hundreds of active developers,
> > dozens of derived distributions, government implantation, etc.. It
> > makes
Shawn Walker wrote:
On 7/22/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is there any chance that build 18 will be made available?
It has been announced to become ready 3 weeks ago..
The build 18 sources should be out either end of this week, or
sometime next week is what I saw a SUN
When exactly will ata.c become available? There's some patch work I need to do
on it.
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> But I make a big mistakes to remove /sbin and now the
> OS cannot start
> with message that /sbin missing. I have a backup of
> /sbin with name
> /sbin.old.
>
> Anyone can told me how to recover the problems?
1. a) boot off of the CD or DVD in single user mode, i.e. on SPARC:
[B]boot cdrom -
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Moinak Ghosh wrote:
> Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
> > The main aim of Debian with OpenSolaris is to let people use
> > OpenSolaris in the easiest possible way, at the same time we provide
> > a consistent system with tons and tons for ready to use Free
> > Software.
>
>
> Sunil, there's an inherent race condition here; both
> parties wish to
> release SolDoom packages; neither sees the other on
> google and both
> release at the same time.
>
> One either needs to 1) pre-partition the name space
> (eg stock ticker
> symbol) or 2) setup a global registery. Before
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Did you compile them yourself?
> >
> > . or do you just asume that it was simple to compile them
> > because you did see the binaries made by other people?
>
>Of course, I do know how the Debian packaging system works.
>Otherwise I
Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, there are a few problems I see with this. First of all, there's
> been some question on Debian legal on whether or not the CDDL meets
> the Debian Free Software Guidelines, if it doesn't, then it's very
> likely they will have no interest in working
* Theo Schlossnagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050721 13:33]:
>
> What I think would be great is a FreeBSD Ports style package
> orchestration system... And you you type "make package" it drops a:
> PORTname-version.gz in an export directory for administrative
> consumption. The overall system woul
Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This only contains a rough description in prosa but no build system.
> >
> > For GPL'd software, it violates the GPL as the build scripts are
> > not available.
>
> I think you are talking about this text from GPLv2
>
> "The source code for a work m
Thanks for you reply.
But I make a big mistakes to remove /sbin and now the OS cannot start
with message that /sbin missing. I have a backup of /sbin with name
/sbin.old.
Anyone can told me how to recover the problems?
Thanks
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On 7/22/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there any chance that build 18 will be made available?
>
> It has been announced to become ready 3 weeks ago..
The build 18 sources should be out either end of this week, or
sometime next week is what I saw a SUN engineer post...
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> This is a common problem on unix-like OSes. Try
> looking through the following search results for
> help.
Actually, UNIX is just about the only operating system that does not have this
problem precisely because of having logical volume managers.
One just has to install it with some forethoug
> The harddisk run out of storage for /
> How can i change the disk config to add more disk
> space for /
> without reinstall
You will have to buy another disk if you don't already have one.
Then you'll have to partition the new disk using the "whole disk approach",
i.e.:
slice0 - remaning free
> That's all great in theory - but it's not always like
> that - while there
> may be support for one version of a device, if that
> device gets up-reved
> the whole chipset can change (just look at how
> wireless drivers are
> these days). For Small to Medium enterprises it's not
> always possi
UNIX admin wrote:
Did you ever consider that one possible reason is
that Solaris X86
simply doesn't have all the drivers - I have a
laptop, and it's less
than 2 years old, which Solaris will install on, but
there simply are no
network drivers for it. So it would take much more of
my time to
> Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 7/20/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > How may I set "verbosemode" to a value != 0 and when will
> > > we have full sources for multiboot?
In usr/src/psm/stand/boot/i386/common/console.c there's a comment that mentions
verbose
Joerg Schilling wrote:
Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 14:04, Chris Ricker wrote:
creating a mysql-4.1 pkg from scratch. Or what if you want the same
version that Sun shipped, but just need it compiled with different
options? That's trivial on Linux
> Ferdinand O. Tempel wrote:
> > for Debian packages to work, you need to adopt the
> entire Debian way of thinking.
> > Bells and whistles and all.
>
> > But it'll be a fight against both the OpenSolaris
> community and
>
> What are the core differences WRT the "way Sun has
> traditionally done
Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joerg Schilling wrote:
>
> >Is there any chance that build 18 will be made available?
> >
> >It has been announced to become ready 3 weeks ago..
> >
> >Jörg
> >
> >
> >
> What was the build number on the July 1st release? It seemed to have
> rolled
> In the past, we've published Sun BluePrints which
> were
> written by people who do not work at Sun. However,
> the Sun BluePrints program was, er, changed last
> year,
> and the former infrastructure for peer review,
> editing,
> tech writing, and marketing is basically gone. We
> continue
> t
> Nor would I, but not because of unforeseen
> consequences. The
> consequences are foreseeable: users will not know the
> origin of the
> package, there is increased likelihood that your
> package's name will
> conflict with someone else's (possibly unrelated)
> package, and you
> will be violati
Joerg Schilling wrote:
Is there any chance that build 18 will be made available?
It has been announced to become ready 3 weeks ago..
Jörg
What was the build number on the July 1st release? It seemed to have
rolled out silently. I've built it but didn't BFU yet.
benr.
> Is there any chance that build 18 will be made
> available?
>
> It has been announced to become ready 3 weeks
> ago..
>
Well I follow the link on the download page and see the build 18
iso images. The only thing I can think of is remembering
some problems with mirrors or cache in the pas
> Why are we trying to look ourselves up to Debian?
> The world of Linux, Debian has been almost completely marginalized, namely
> in favor of SuSE which provides nothing more than eye candy, and RedHat
> dominating Linux's share of the corporate market. Nobody even considered
> Debian until re
> Since you are neither a Sun executive nor a Sun
> employed Solaris
> engineer I don't believe you have the right to make
> any such assertions,
> you don't have all the facts and given that you don't
> show your name I can only assume you aren't an
> official spokes person
> for Sun.
...
> I be
> [1] For the non Americans (myself included) smores
> are melted chocolate
> and marshmallows stuck between crackers, often
> consumed on camping
> trips. Personally I can't stand the taste of them, I
> don't like gooey
> chocolate, but the concept is cool.
Ah Darren. They where designed to k
Is there any chance that build 18 will be made available?
It has been announced to become ready 3 weeks ago..
Jörg
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