Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-13 Thread Zach Welch
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 08:53 +0100, John Devereux wrote: > Zach Welch writes: > > On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 23:24 +0200, Freddie Chopin wrote: [snip] > > [...] > >> comfortable situation, because I know how to compile the package, but - > >> believe me - there are hundreds of "domestic ARM developers"

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-13 Thread John Devereux
Zach Welch writes: > On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 23:24 +0200, Freddie Chopin wrote: >> Sorry to interrupt (; I thought that I'd share my "outsider's opinion" >> with all. > > Not at all. I hope more folks are willing to step up and share their > opinions; without feedback, the maintainers cannot know

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-13 Thread Øyvind Harboe
> I have it in my current "stable" work copy, based on 1606, together with > some other small but potentially useful modifications that I am testing. > Of course you can have a svn diff -r 1606. > I have no I idea how much it is to get it into head and at the moment I > would rather use my time for

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Magnus Lundin
Øyvind Harboe wrote: >> Well, since it is more than five days old I suppose it is dead fish. >> > > I could have been more precise to say: it is much more work to > apply a patch later than sooner, ignoring the risk. > > It's balance. > > >> But I can tell you that all the state transition

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Øyvind Harboe
>> Example:  there was a patch a while back (from Dick >> Hollenbeck) that included about 60K of ft2232 and >> TMS sequencing updates ... and gratuitous changes >> to whitespace, and surely other things.  I don't >> know of many projects which wouldn't also reject >> such patches with "please split

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Øyvind Harboe
> Well,  since it is more than five days old I suppose it is dead fish. I could have been more precise to say: it is much more work to apply a patch later than sooner, ignoring the risk. It's balance. > But I can tell you that all the state transition stuff works well, both > in 7 state version

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Strontium
David Brownell wrote: >>> Right. I think some patches should certainly be able >>> to fit into the "keep that in the -next queue" category. >>> >>> Effective review is probably not easy here; who knows >>> JTAG well enough to contribute non-cosmetic feedback? >>> >> Actually, a fair number

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread David Brownell
> > Right. I think some patches should certainly be able > > to fit into the "keep that in the -next queue" category. > > > > Effective review is probably not easy here; who knows > > JTAG well enough to contribute non-cosmetic feedback? > > Actually, a fair number of us _do_ know JTAG fairly wel

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Rick Altherr
On May 12, 2009, at 6:09 PM, David Brownell wrote: Zack's "list" seemed useful in terms of having some kind of direction be defined. But that's distinct from defining release criteria, or merge criteria. Yup. A todo list is great, but we need a more rigid definition of what need to be d

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread David Brownell
On Tuesday 12 May 2009, Magnus Lundin wrote: > David Brownell wrote: > > Zack's "list" seemed useful in terms of having some > > kind of direction be defined. But that's distinct > > from defining release criteria, or merge criteria. > > The old list, or the new rebuild everything into loadable >

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread David Brownell
On Tuesday 12 May 2009, Rick Altherr wrote: > > On May 12, 2009, at 3:36 PM, David Brownell wrote: > > > On Tuesday 12 May 2009, Øyvind Harboe wrote: > >> I don't know when the cats can be herded into a 0.2 release > >> at this point, but I'm pretty sure it's a month away at least. > > > > Hmm, i

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Rick Altherr
On May 12, 2009, at 3:36 PM, David Brownell wrote: On Tuesday 12 May 2009, Øyvind Harboe wrote: I don't know when the cats can be herded into a 0.2 release at this point, but I'm pretty sure it's a month away at least. Hmm, if you don't know ... then who could? The process *does* seem, for

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Zach Welch
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 15:36 -0700, David Brownell wrote: > On Tuesday 12 May 2009, Øyvind Harboe wrote: > > I don't know when the cats can be herded into a 0.2 release > > at this point, but I'm pretty sure it's a month away at least. > > Hmm, if you don't know ... then who could? I do. Cats can

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Magnus Lundin
David Brownell wrote: > On Tuesday 12 May 2009, Øyvind Harboe wrote: > >> I don't know when the cats can be herded into a 0.2 release >> at this point, but I'm pretty sure it's a month away at least. >> > > Hmm, if you don't know ... then who could? > > The process *does* seem, for now, as

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread David Brownell
On Tuesday 12 May 2009, Øyvind Harboe wrote: > I don't know when the cats can be herded into a 0.2 release > at this point, but I'm pretty sure it's a month away at least. Hmm, if you don't know ... then who could? The process *does* seem, for now, as if it's largely "commit patches to SVN" witho

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Zach Welch
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 23:24 +0200, Freddie Chopin wrote: > Sorry to interrupt (; I thought that I'd share my "outsider's opinion" > with all. Not at all. I hope more folks are willing to step up and share their opinions; without feedback, the maintainers cannot know what you think. Thank you for

Re: [Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Øyvind Harboe
One of the reasons that plans change dramatically is that suddenly we have resources to get stuff done :-) We can't decide when we will have resources and what those resources want to work on If someone steps up with a great patch, then I'd apply it to svn head. If we need a release branch we

[Openocd-development] Outsider's point of view

2009-05-12 Thread Freddie Chopin
Sorry to interrupt (; I thought that I'd share my "outsider's opinion" with all. Just a while ago someone (Zach?) was talking about a need for a stable "production cycle" with frequent release branches. A 0.2.0 release was mentioned to happen after the recent perforance issues would got fixed