Re: Starlink routing

2023-01-22 Thread Tom Beecher
Yes re: Iridium. Contrary to what the Chief Huckster may say, inter-sat comms are not some revolutionary thing that he invented. It’s also not likely to function anything like they show in marketing promos, with data magically zipping around the constellation between nodes in different inclination

Re: Starlink routing

2023-01-23 Thread Tom Beecher
may have on that if they can share. On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 2:38 AM Jorge Amodio wrote: > > Solved years ago … > > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielaam/92/8502886/8412572-aam.pdf > > -Jorge > > On Jan 23, 2023, at 1:30 AM, Raymond Burkholder > wrote: > >  &g

Re: Starlink routing

2023-01-23 Thread Tom Beecher
of a difference to affect a typical >> optical receiver" investigation ended as I'm mobile right now and can't do >> the rest of the work very easily. I'd be curious if the relative speed >> would be enough to cause enough shift to move it out of the pass b

Re: Starlink routing

2023-01-23 Thread Tom Beecher
17:27, Tom Beecher wrote: > > > What I didn't think was adequately solved was what Starlink shows in > > marketing snippets, that is birds in completely different orbital > > inclinations (sometimes close to 90 degrees off) shooting messages to > each > > othe

Re: ROV concern for hyper-specific prefixes (renamed from `Re: Smaller than a /24 for BGP?')

2023-01-30 Thread Tom Beecher
> > - If origin makes a ROA only for covering prefix (say /24) then the /28 > announcement would be considered invalid by ROV and (even more likely) > dropped. Also you get more instances of `invalid' announcements, making > adoption of ROVs and ROAs harder. > AS 10 creates an ROA for X.X.X.X/24 ,

Re: Increasing problems with geolocation/IPv4 access

2023-02-06 Thread Tom Beecher
> > One would also think that large OTT content providers which publish > Android and IOS apps could > You said the magic word ; could. It's the natural extension of MBA Math ; If you can pay for something 'as a service' , it's going to be cheaper than paying people to develop it in house. Th

CHI-NOG 11 - Call for Presentations, CfP

2023-02-13 Thread Tom Kacprzynski
ll receive complimentary tickets to the conference. For past presentation please see the archives at https://www.youtube.com/user/chicagonog/videos The program committee is looking forward to your submission and attendance. Thank you, Tom Kacprzynski CHI-NOG Program Committee Chair

Re: 2023 State of Network Automation Survey

2023-02-27 Thread Tom Beecher
> > Don't expect too much when you need a Google account to answer a survey :) > I was also off put by some of the financial questions in there. On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 1:57 PM Denis Fondras wrote: > Le Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:16:13AM -0700, Chris Grundemann a écrit : > > Update: The survey has

Re: 2023 State of Network Automation Survey

2023-02-27 Thread Tom Beecher
n FOO , you could save X if you used BAR". On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 4:12 PM Chris Grundemann wrote: > On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 12:15 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > >> >> I was also off put by some of the financial questions in there. >> > > The financial questions (2

Re: UN FAO account compromised - need support from Twitter

2023-03-01 Thread Tom Beecher
This isn't the mailing list you are looking for. On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 10:51 AM Randazzo, Alessio (CSI) < alessio.randa...@fao.org> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I'm Alessio Randazzo, a member of the IT-Security Team of Food and > Agriculture of the United Nations. Nice to e-meet you! > It has

Re: 2023 State of Network Automation Survey

2023-03-01 Thread Tom Beecher
> > Fair play, Tom. All I can say is that after 20 years of working on, in, > and around the Internet, I'm sure as hell not going to ruin my reputation > now. > Apologies if I implied anything like that. Wasn't my intent to do so. > And whether we engineers like it

Re: RFC6598 100.64/10: to bogon or not to bogon (team-cymru et all)

2023-03-07 Thread Tom Beecher
> > It would be quite a bad idea to drop 100.64/10 on a firewall or > servers, when legitimate traffic can very well hit your infrastructure > with those source IPs. > > > Thoughts? > Don't use bogon lists in places you shouldn't use bogon lists. On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 5:10 PM Lukas Tribus wr

Re: RFC6598 100.64/10: to bogon or not to bogon (team-cymru et all)

2023-03-07 Thread Tom Beecher
> > They talk about bogon prefixes "for hosts", provide configuration > examples for Cisco ASA firewalls, > Which are perfectly valid use cases for some networks / situations. On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 6:35 PM Lukas Tribus wrote: > On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 at 00:05, William Herrin wrote: > > Hi Lukas,

Re: RFC6598 100.64/10: to bogon or not to bogon (team-cymru et all)

2023-03-08 Thread Tom Beecher
> > That doesn't mean publically available blocklists need to misrepresent > their use-case. > > Respectfully, this is exceptionally ignorant. Team Cymru is not misrepresenting anything. They are very specific and detailed about which addresses the bogons and fullbogons lists contain. They also cl

Re: Spamhaus flags any IP announced by our ASN as a criminal network

2023-03-18 Thread Tom Beecher
Given the list of things on these two prefixes alone, I would venture to guess it's not a misjudgement. https://check.spamhaus.org/listed/?searchterm=5.178.2.1 https://check.spamhaus.org/listed/?searchterm=80.66.64.1 On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 3:47 PM Brandon Zhi wrote: > Hello guy, > > We recen

Re: Verizon/Qwest single end-user difficulty vs Xfinity (was Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 182, Issue 14)

2023-03-19 Thread Tom Daly
Jeff, Since you are using bridge mode, try adjusting down the MTU supported through the network. We have observed that a realistic MTU for Verizon 5G home internet is about 1428 bytes. Good luck, Tom On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:00 AM wrote: > Send NANOG mailing list submissions

Re: Spamhaus flags any IP announced by our ASN as a criminal network

2023-03-20 Thread Tom Beecher
> > Well, those prefixes are not for their VPS hosting service (which cause a > lot of complaint). Just like there are many IP addresses under the > telecommunication company, the entire ASN cannot be "blocked" just because > there is a complaint on one IP address > I can drop all prefixes from an

CUPS in a BNG?

2023-03-22 Thread Tom Mitchell
Anyone have any thoughts on this CUPS thing? I have a customer asking, but it seems the lack of CP resiliency and additional latency between the DP and CP make this a really dumb idea. Has anyone tried it? Does it make any sense? Thanks!

Re: CUPS in a BNG?

2023-03-22 Thread Tom Mitchell
What is it about the architecture that makes it a preferred solution. I get that centralizing the user databases makes sense, but why the control plane. What benefit does that have? -- Tom On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 2:17 PM wrote: > The CUPS makes a lot of sense for this application. Late

Re: CUPS in a BNG?

2023-03-22 Thread Tom Mitchell
; Yours, > > Joel > On 3/22/2023 5:53 PM, Tom Mitchell wrote: > > What is it about the architecture that makes it a preferred solution. I > get that centralizing the user databases makes sense, but why the control > plane. What benefit does that have? > > -- Tom > &g

CHI-NOG11 - Agenda - May 11th

2023-04-21 Thread Tom Kacprzynski
/ Registration is still open, but ending soon. For more details please see https://chinog.org/chi-nog-11/registration/ Thank you Tom Kacprzynski

Spectrum networks IPv6 access issue

2023-04-26 Thread Tom Rini
April this year. -- Tom

Re: Spectrum networks IPv6 access issue

2023-05-02 Thread Tom Rini
* * * > > 14 * * * > > 15 * * * > > 16 * * * > > 17 * * * > > 18 * * * > > 19 *^C > > > > ping6 dfw.source.kernel.org > > PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2603:8080:REDACTED --> 2604:1380:4641:c500::1 > > ^C > > --- dfw.source.ker

Re: Spectrum networks IPv6 access issue

2023-05-03 Thread Tom Beecher
> > My issue was just trying to convince Spectrum to look into the problem in > the first place, I brought the Atlas probe receipts because it’s such a > helpful tool, but wasn’t able to get through to anyone helpful (acct mgr, > noc email, even the escalation list) until I started lighting fires f

Re: Best Linux (or BSD) hosted BGP?

2023-05-03 Thread Tom Beecher
> > For those that like FRR: > https://thehackernews.com/2023/05/researchers-uncover-new-bgp-flaws-in.html All 3 of those CVEs look like they were fixed and backported into 8.2 through 8.4 at least 6 months ago. On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 5:54 AM Hank Nussbacher wrote: > On 02/05/2023 17:56, Warre

Re: Best Linux (or BSD) hosted BGP?

2023-05-03 Thread Tom Beecher
No argument there at all. Just felt like there was enough FUD in that link it was worth calling out that specific. On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 2:39 PM Glenn Kelley wrote: > Tom - you are correct > > Of course - who keeps things like BGP Route Servers and FRR up to date - > > cough co

Re: Routed optical networks

2023-05-04 Thread Tom Beecher
> > Well, ISP is typically plan something for a year. It is more than enough > for both. > s/more/should be/ The economics are such these days that in many circumstances, bean counters don't want to hear about payback in years, they want to hear it in quarters. Short term financial thinking is d

Re: Best Linux (or BSD) hosted BGP?

2023-05-09 Thread Tom Beecher
> > I think we all appreciate how open source projects work. Calling out > their limitations is as old as mailing lists. I don't code. I test a > lot, and continue to test IS-IS in FRR on FreeBSD every year or so. I'll > keep testing and giving feedback at least once or twice a year. If it's > stil

Re: Best Linux (or BSD) hosted BGP?

2023-05-09 Thread Tom Beecher
On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 9:00 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 5/9/23 14:32, Tom Beecher wrote: > > > Except you didn't exactly "call out limitations". You simply said : > > IS-IS in Quagga and FRR are not yet ready for business, is what I would >> caution. >

Re: Best Linux (or BSD) hosted BGP?

2023-05-10 Thread Tom Beecher
round the situation, but they have to manage that. Someone has to do work somewhere. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 11:55 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 6:40 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > >> The implication being that while it might work, it would make > administration of

Re: Best Linux (or BSD) hosted BGP?

2023-05-10 Thread Tom Beecher
rked for this scenario, the next release could change to a value that doesn't. On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 12:46 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 5/10/23 03:40, Tom Beecher wrote: > > > > > Adjusting a single tunable is 'onerous'? Ok. > > In the contex

Re: Do ISP's collect and analyze traffic of users?

2023-05-16 Thread Tom Beecher
Two simple rules for most large ISPs. 1. If they can see it, as long as they are not legally prohibited, they'll collect it. 2. If they can legally profit from that information, in any way, they will. Now, ther privacy policies will always include lots of nice sounding clauses, such as 'We don't

Re: Do ISP's collect and analyze traffic of users?

2023-05-16 Thread Tom Beecher
> > I did see an article about Team Cymru selling netflow data from ISPs to > governments though. > Team Cymru sold the same thing to the FBI Cyber Crimes division that any of us could purchase if we wanted to pay for it. On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 8:52 AM Rishi Panthee wrote: > I’ve got Akvorado

Looking for Contact : MTN South Africa (AS16637)

2023-05-16 Thread Tom Beecher
Looking for a technical contact at MTN South Africa, not having a lot of success through standard pathways. If you are from MTN, or know someone, please let me know offlist. Thanks.

Re: bfd & IPv6 on Cisco 4948E-E / IOS 15.2

2023-06-07 Thread Tom Hill
a pair of static link-local neighbour addresses under 'ospfv3 1 ipv6 bfd ...'? Something like fe80::1 and fe80::2? As opposed to relying on autoconf addresses. -- Tom

Re: 10G CPE w/VXLAN - vendors?

2023-06-16 Thread Tom Mitchell
Lanner NCA-1516 -- Tom On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 9:15 AM Michel Blais wrote: > Pretty sure Ufispace S9502-12SM + IPInfusion OcNOS would work. VxLAN is > supported in the IP Base licence. CRS license must be avoided for VxLAN. > Look at the OcNOS feature matrix to make sure. > >

Re: New addresses for b.root-servers.net

2023-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
Bill- Don't say, "We'll keep it up for as long as we feel like it, but at > least a year." That's crap. > 30% of the root servers have been renumbered in the last 25 years. h : 2015 d: 2013 l : 2007 j : 2002 For these 4 cases, only a 6 month transition time was provided, and the internet as we

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
> > I have not heard of any mention of Starlink having caps as part of their > service. Having said that, for services like this, things change as the > number of customers using them rises. > They were proposing data caps to roll out this year, but they abandoned that in lieu of a 'priority tier.

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
> > Won't Starlink and other LEO configurations be that backstop sooner > rather than later? > Unlikely. They will remain niche. The economics don't make sense for those services to completely replace terrestrial only service. On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 4:17 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 6/16/23

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
of a cuckoo bird but say what you will he > does have big ambitions. > Ambition is good. But reality tends to win the day. As does math. On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 4:38 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 6/17/23 1:25 PM, Tom Beecher wrote: > > Won't Starlink and other LEO co

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
not be true. Rumor has it, they are piggybacking on other payloads which > pay for the launches, particularly government contracts. > > > > > On Jun 17, 2023, at 5:54 PM, Tom Beecher wrote: > >  > >> As I mentioned elsewhere, I'm not sure that the current econ

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
gt; they are fully deployed I don't know but it's bound to be a lot more > possible subs than they have now. > > I mean, this could be a spectacular flop like Iridium but a lot has > changed in 20 some years not least of which is the cost of launch. > > Mike > On 6/

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
e in orbit. On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 7:09 PM Dave Taht wrote: > I am happy to see the conversation about starlink escaping over here, > because it is increasingly a game-changing technology (I also run the > starlink mailing list, cc´d)... > > On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 3:56 PM

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
home Internet will. > > > > On Jun 17, 2023, at 7:04 PM, Tom Beecher wrote: > >  > >> You’re assuming the launches are costing them something, which in fact >> may not be true. Rumor has it, they are piggybacking on other payloads >> which pay for the launc

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
elf is borderline negligent, but still absolutely mind boggling. On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 8:04 PM Dave Taht wrote: > On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 5:16 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > >> > >> Also: they plan to use Starship when it's available which has 10x more > capacity. If

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
ervice sucked, but part of that is because the markets > never materialized to justify funding to improve it. > > > On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 5:16 PM Dave Taht wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 5:41 PM Tom Beecher wrote: >> >> >> >> You are also assumin

Re: FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-19 Thread Tom Beecher
e under-serviced places. > > Cheaper, easy maintenance, less centralization. > > > > We also need orbit for more importand sats out there than internet. > > GPS, earth monitoring infra, space telescopes, R&D. > > > > > > -- Original message ---

Re: IP range for lease

2023-07-10 Thread Tom Beecher
> > To summarise, if there is no longer a need, please > do either one of the following three things: > > 1| send it back to the RIR; > 2| change the word *lease* to *transfer* and > announce your willing to transfer the INRs you hold. > 3| do not hesitate to discuss your alternatives with > the RI

Re: My first ARIN Experience but probably not the last, unfortunately..

2023-07-15 Thread Tom Beecher
> > > The issue being a newcomer and not fully versed on the levels, I never > made the connection of the /36 to the 2X-Small Category. A simple addition > of adding in a reference to that category would make it a lot more clear.. > The service levels are defined right there in the chart above the

Re: Cogent Abuse - Bogus Propagation of ASN 36471

2023-07-20 Thread Tom Beecher
> > In short--I'm having a hard time understanding how a non-paying entity > still has working connectivity and BGP sessions, which makes me suspect > there's a different side to this story we're not hearing yet. ^_^; > I know Cogent has long offered very cheap transit prices, but this seems ver

Re: Last Mile ISP Quality Measurements

2023-08-09 Thread Tom Beecher
> > measure the quality of their connections Really depends on what you are trying to measure. Some metrics are going to be great at telling you the quality and performance of the network at L3, but thanks to the Stupid Content Provider Tricks that we use, won't tell you anything about the L4/L7

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-15 Thread Tom Beecher
> > It should be a huge embarrasment to the designers. They survive on low > price and unique features. It would be quite amazing to have a CLI without > the nonsense. > That ship sailed years ago. Even though the legal precedent was set after Cisco vs Arista that CLI elements that are of common ,

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-16 Thread Tom Beecher
ices they did BECAUSE of that concern. I have no knowledge there. I do know that Much Larger Vendors have absolutely made tradeoffs because they didn't want to deal with legal actions from Another Large Vendor or Patent Troll, so it's not exactly uncommon. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 5:43

Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe)

2023-08-16 Thread Tom Beecher
Thanks for that link. This is jumping out at me though : Their interior routing protocol used amongst their mesh of routers was > IS-IS which was using authentication. The authentication [section 4.19] > was described having a "password validity start date" of 01 July 2012. > Thus, any routers w

Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe)

2023-08-16 Thread Tom Beecher
> > So, probably not a failure "caused by GPS", rather one caused by poor > design (only two clock sources) combined with unsupported and buggy > devices. 100% correct. From the PDF : 4.31 JT summarised its findings in relation to the ‘Panic Timer’ on the > Cisco IOS XR NTP Client, namely that:

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-21 Thread Tom Beecher
> > I meant ix internet exchange path visualization and an online tool to take > a look at it in (near) real time! I'm still not sure I follow your question. Are you asking 'How does IX-FOO connect to IX-BAR?' Or are you asking 'What ASNs connect to IX-FOO AND IX-BAR?' On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 7

Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP

2023-08-21 Thread Tom Beecher
> > So, while this all sounds good, without any specifics on vendor, box, > code, code revision number, fix, year it happened, current status, e.t.c., > I can't offer any meaningful engagement. > If you clicked Matt's link to the Google search, you could tell from the results what vendor , model,

Re: JunOS config yacc grammar?

2023-08-21 Thread Tom Beecher
> > We already > have cron jobs running on the switches that tftp the config file > to a server, and I'd prefer to leverage off that. > Use the same cron jobs to save a copy as xml/json and pull the file off. On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 7:52 PM Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) < lyn...@orthanc.ca> w

Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP

2023-08-22 Thread Tom Beecher
11:48 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 8/21/23 17:44, Tom Beecher wrote: > > So, while this all sounds good, without any specifics on vendor, box, >> code, code revision number, fix, year it happened, current status, e.t.c., >> I can't offer any meaningful engagement.

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-23 Thread Tom Beecher
> > What would have been nice is if Juniper oversubscribed the face plate of > this platform, as most people are more likely to run out of ports than > they would the 400Gbps forwarding capacity of Trio. > You're restricted to 400G because they did fixed lane allocations to the EA chip on the PFE

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-25 Thread Tom Beecher
> > On another note, the potential issue we might run into is pressure on > control plane memory on the MX204 for us that run BGP Add-Paths. You can > always upgrade the RE on an MX240/480/960, but the MX204 is fixed (and > last time I checked, fiddling with Juniper RE memory was generally > frowne

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-25 Thread Tom Beecher
. On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 5:39 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 8/25/23 19:16, Tom Beecher wrote: > > > In my experience and testing with them, you have a decent bit of > > headroom past the published RIB/FIB limits before they'll fall over. > > They are holding up

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-28 Thread Tom Beecher
> > I would agree with that. We've had gear with 40-gig ports for many years > (>6)? Never found a CDN or transport network that would do 40. Many 40G hardware options never made a ton of economic sense in CDN land with shared ASIC lanes for 40G and 100G ports. Using anything 40G blocked the asso

Re: JunOS/FRR/Nokia et al BGP critical issue

2023-08-30 Thread Tom Beecher
> > Or do the sensible thing and just drop the announcement and log the > problem. > Which is exactly what an RFC7606 compliant device will do for an unknown path attribute. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7606#page-5 o Treat-as-withdraw: In this approach, the UPDATE message containing

Re: JunOS/FRR/Nokia et al BGP critical issue

2023-08-30 Thread Tom Beecher
> > vendors should adopt RFC7606 > Yes and not be absolutely awful at responding to vulnerability reporting. 1. This isn't exactly new. It's been possible to do this since the original days of BGP. 2. Probably not wise to assume that's accurate just because he thinks that is true. On Wed, A

Re: JunOS/FRR/Nokia et al BGP critical issue

2023-09-05 Thread Tom Beecher
> > But there's obviously not been enough thought applied to realize that > optional transitive attributes must be considered evil by default. They > can only be used after extremely careful parsing. > > ... > I was hoping we'd moved past that point in the software development > history. > There

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-05 Thread Tom Beecher
> > Cogent support has been about as bad as you can get. Everything is great, > clean your fiber, iperf isn’t a good test, install a physical loop oh wait > we don’t want that so go pull it back off, new updates come at three to > seven day intervals, etc. If the performance had never been good t

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-06 Thread Tom Beecher
> > For example Juniper offers true per-packet, I think mostly used in > high performance computing. > At least on MX, what Juniper calls 'per-packet' is really 'per-flow'. On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 10:17 AM Saku Ytti wrote: > On Wed, 6 Sept 2023 at 17:10, Benny Lyne Amorsen > wrote: > > > TCP lo

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-06 Thread Tom Beecher
ime I used it much. stateful was hit or miss ; sometimes it tested amazing, other times not so much. But it wasn't a primary requirement so I never dove into why On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 12:04 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 9/6/23 17:27, Tom Beecher wrote: > > > > > At leas

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-09 Thread Tom Beecher
> > What network does Nanog-news operate? > > Marketing email doesn’t belong on an operational list. Even if its NANOG > marketing itself. (Ack Kentik non involvement). > This is the right comment. The NANOG Mailing List Usage Guidelines ( https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/ ) a

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-09 Thread Tom Beecher
nd technical content only'. We can't ban people for trying to sneak marketing stuff through here (and we have) , and then turn right around and do it ourselves. On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 12:48 PM Ryan Hamel wrote: > Martin and Tom, > > How is it a private marketing initiative e

Re: Spam from ARIN to POC addresses

2023-09-12 Thread Tom Beecher
> > I hope this is not the start of a new pattern of behaviour because that > would not be…good to put it mildly. > What exactly is "not good" about ARIN emailing about the ARIN Public Policy and Members meeting, to email addresses on file related to ARIN assigned resources? On Tue, Sep 12, 2023

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-13 Thread Tom Beecher
Edward- Tracker issues aside, as I called out earlier in the thread, by our own rules the newsletters should not be sent to this list in the first place. Citing NANOG Mailing List Usage Guidelines ( https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/ ) : Posts to NANOG’s Mailing List should be fo

Re: So what do you think about the scuttlebutt of Musk interfering in Ukraine?

2023-09-14 Thread Tom Beecher
Mr. Isaacson's tweet (or X , or whatever the hell it is now ) is essentially saying Russia invading Ukraine was *not* a major war, but Ukraine attacking back to defend itself would be. Exceptionally dumb comment. I also find it exceptionally rich that Musk uses their 'Terms of Service' as a shield

Re: what is acceptible jitter for voip and videoconferencing?

2023-09-21 Thread Tom Beecher
My understanding has always been that 30ms was set based on human perceptibility. 30ms was the average point at which the average person could start to detect artifacts in the audio. On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 8:13 PM Dave Taht wrote: > Dear nanog-ers: > > I go back many, many years as to baseline

Re: Test Lab Best Practices

2023-09-28 Thread Tom Beecher
Appliance virtualization is perfectly acceptable for a lot of things. But there are large sets of problems that you will never catch that way. To the OP : With respect to 'strategies' : 1. Test something to make sure it works. 2. Then test it to see where and how it breaks. Lots of people do #1

Re: Contacts wanted: OVH, DigitalOcean, and Microsoft (Deutschland)

2019-03-19 Thread Tom Beecher
This entire thread could easily have been simply : "Hey all! I'm having some challenges reaching a live person in the abuse groups for X, Y, and Z. Can anyone help with a contact, or if anyone from those companies sees this, can you contact me off-list?" Calling everyone an idiot in the midst of

Re: Help on setting up a new block

2019-03-20 Thread Tom Beecher
Taking a quick look, seems like reachability to the first /24 at least is ok, so I don't think you have a problem there. You may have picked up a subnet with some nuggets of abuse history in there, it's quite common on the secondary V4 market. On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 10:05 AM John Alcock wrote:

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Tom Hill
On 25/03/2019 09:17, Sean Donelan wrote: > Its always a bad idea to do packet filtering at your bgp border. Wild assertion. Why? DoS mitigation, iACLs, BGP security... I can think of lots of very sensible reasons. -- Tom

Re: webauthn

2019-03-25 Thread Tom Beecher
I will personally always prefer hardware based methods where the private key data is never exposed over pure software based methods. On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 9:32 AM Mauricio Rodriguez wrote: > My understanding is that 2-factor is one of the primary drivers for > webauthn. I feel that hardware d

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Tom Beecher
. Packet filtering is more computationally taxing than just routing is. Your edge equipment is likely going to be built for maximum routing efficiency. Trying to bite off too much filtering there increases your risk of legit traffic being tossed on the floor. On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 6:41 AM Tom

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Tom Beecher
"It seems your position is 'i don't know how ACL works on my platforms and i don't trust myself to write ACL, so i should not do them'," That is not my position at all, but thanks. On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 12:43 PM Saku Ytti wrote: > Hey Tom, > > >

Re: Frontier rural FIOS & IPv6

2019-03-31 Thread Tom Beecher
I’m in Spectrum land, née Time Warner, née Rigas Cash Extraction Machine... errr Adelphia. ( Buffalo / WNY ) We’ve had native v6 for quite a few years up here. On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 16:55 Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 3/31/19 13:31, David Hubbard wrote: > > Things are no better in Spectrum land;

modeling residential subscriber bandwidth demand

2019-04-02 Thread Tom Ammon
historical data is great, but I guess what I am really asking is - how do you anticipate the load that your eyeballs are going to bring to your network, especially in the face of transport tweaks such as QUIC and TCP BBR? Tom

Re: modeling residential subscriber bandwidth demand

2019-04-02 Thread Tom Ammon
er what the value of trying to predict utilization is anyway, especially since bandwidth is so cheap. But I figure it can't hurt to ask a group of people where I am highly likely to find somebody smarter than I am :-) -- -------

Re: Disney+ CDN

2019-04-12 Thread Tom Beecher
I wouldn't expect them to build out anything until they got some usage data to determine the build/buy economics. On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Jared Geiger wrote: > An article mentioned BAMTech's platform which is what NHL, MLB, and HBO GO > are built on. The bits from the first two come from

Re: Sflow billing or usage calculation software

2019-04-13 Thread Tom Beecher
I’m curious what the service is that 50Mbps avg over a 24 hr window is an investigative threshold. On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 17:57 Peter Phaal wrote: > Tony, > > You might find the following article useful in identifying features to > consider when evaluating sFlow analyzers: > https://blog.sflow.

Re: Ownership of Routers on Both Ends of Transnational Links

2019-04-16 Thread Tom Beecher
"Can anyone confirm that these are indeed managed by the Chinese ISPs (even though they are physically located in the US according to the traceroute and RTT analysis)?" If a router is part of the CU AS, it's owed and managed by them. Physical location isn't really relevant to your question. On Tu

Re: Comcast storing WiFi passwords in cleartext?

2019-04-24 Thread Tom Beecher
The Stackexchange post does NOT say that they got their own AP. It says they got their own DOCSIS Modem / Router / Wifi combo device. That's an important distinction. When I worked at Adelphia many years ago, the only distinction between customer owned CPE and company owned CPE was billing. All mo

Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS?

2019-04-25 Thread Tom Beecher
Obviously violates every standard “don’t resell the service” clause. ( But these are also the same TOSes that tell me I can’t VPN into the office , so they can pound sand. :p ) Doing this makes about as much sense as running a TOR exit node to me. Too much exposure to someone doing something dumb

Re: Comcast storing WiFi passwords in cleartext?

2019-04-25 Thread Tom Beecher
As much as it pains me to Devil's Advocate for Comcast... Has anyone proven that they are storing this PSK in cleartext? From the original StackExchange post : " When I went to the account web page, it showed me my password. I changed the password and it instantly showed the new password on the ac

Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS?

2019-04-25 Thread Tom Beecher
It seems like just another example of liability shifting/shielding. I'll defer to Actual Lawyers obviously, but the way I see it, Packetstream doesn't have any contractual or business relationship with my ISP. I do. If I sell them my bandwidth, and my ISP decides to take action, they come after me

Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS?

2019-04-26 Thread Tom Beecher
olation of the ToS, and if they continue, their account might be canceled. Be a nicer method than just 0 to canceled in one go. On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 8:12 AM Matthew Kaufman wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 1:09 PM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. < > amitch...@isipp.com> wrote: > &g

Re: My .sig (Was Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS?)

2019-04-26 Thread Tom Beecher
I respect the viewpoints of those who made comments about your sig, but I do not agree. There are many things to be annoyed about. I don’t think your email signature is one of them. On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 17:16 Ross Tajvar wrote: > I want to clarify that while I didn't say anything (since it w

Re: NTP question

2019-05-02 Thread Tom Beecher
Passes the backhoe test, but might have an issue with the Die Hard Elevator Shaft Fight Scene checks. :) On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 07:34 william manning wrote: > for our PCI-DSS audit, the rational for at least -one- local source, > instead of depending on pool.ntp.org, was "backhoe fade". > it wa

Re: Fibre provider in Starkville, MS

2019-05-06 Thread Tom Beecher
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about the services themselves. This is all legal maneuvering due to the financial engineering that was being done. They won't be going dark or anything. Absolutely worst case they may have to sell some markets off to another carrier, but IF that gets there it's many years aw

Re: Fibre provider in Starkville, MS

2019-05-06 Thread Tom Beecher
grate properly when some hedgy is riding you over that extra 0.45%! ) Support on 'legacy' always tends to suffer. On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:29 AM Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Tom Beecher said: > > They won't be going dark or anything. Absolutely worst case they may

Re: any interesting/useful resources available to IPv6 only?

2019-05-06 Thread Tom Beecher
PHB? Then make it a cost argument. "If you plan an implement V6 today, will will cost N. If you delay until you discover V6 only services, it will cost 3-5xN to implement quickly, with additional risk of additional costs because quicker implementations are likely to miss something along the way."

Re: BGP prefix filter list

2019-05-15 Thread Tom Beecher
At a previous company , about 10-ish years ago, had the same problem due to equipment limitations, and wasn't able to get dollars to upgrade anything. The most effective thing for me at the time was to start dumping any prefix with an as-path length longer than 10. For our business then, if you we

Re: BGP prefix filter list

2019-05-22 Thread Tom Beecher
There are sometimes legitimate reasons to have a covering aggregate with some more specific announcements. Certainly there's a lot of cleanup that many should do in this area, but it might not be the best approach to this issue. On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:30 AM Alejandro Acosta < alejandroacostaal.

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