My viewing of their website only lists i...@ocix.net (which I’ll
include here in plain because it’s in plain on their website).
A few OCIX members are listed on their members page (web.archive.org
version here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20191202000450/http://www.ocix.net/ocix/index.php?option
The ideal solution is a carrier that has its own true DDoS mitigation platform,
and does not rely on black hole routing . Have the carrier handle the the large
bulk flood attacks, then have your own prem base mitigation platform take care
of the more application specific attacks that get through
Known Juniper security issue . We found it during testing and discovered it is
fixed in later code. I don't have the specifics in front of me right now or I'd
share.
This Email was sent from Steve's iPad
Message: 5
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 20:31:35 +
From: Vinod K
To:
Subject: RE: Cloudflar
This is pretty old news , this "super bot-net" of compromised Wordpress sites (
and others) has been attacking since September
Sent from my iPhone
ONANOG Digest,
> *
A10 is in pretty early stages right now on DDoS , this may be a good thing if
you have time to wait and can help mold them a bit. They are still mostly
enterprise focused , not really carrier grade . Radware is a little further
along, but Arbor is king when it comes suitability for a carrier d
early in 2021.
Steve McManus on behalf of PeeringDB Product Committee
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> On Nov 2, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Steve M
our virtual platform!
Sincerely,
Steve Feldman
On behalf of the NANOG PC
oking at a solution
to support 5k to 15k customers and bandwidth up to around 30-40 gig as a
starting point. A solution that is as transparent to user experience as
possible is a priority.
Thanks
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ideatek HUMAN AT OUR VERY FIBER
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revenue coming from these services, but cost of maintenance is
becoming a challenge. We are looking at migrating to another platform or
completely discontinuing those services.
I'm wondering if others here have gone through that process and have any
advice as to how to go about it.
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The current platform is a custom collection of open source software, smtp,
imap, pop, webmail. Web hosting is a basic LAMP stack all php 5.2 or
greater. There is no interest in growing these services.
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 11:02 AM Bryan Fields wrote:
> On 7/6/21 10:41 AM, Steve Saner wr
3:26 PM, Steve Saner wrote:
> > The current platform is a custom collection of open source software,
> smtp,
> > imap, pop, webmail. Web hosting is a basic LAMP stack all php 5.2 or
> > greater. There is no interest in growing these services.
>
> Ok, so this really doesn
This is good to know. I have also considered it for a number of things.
Glad to know that it works.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 10:30 AM John Levine wrote:
> It appears that Steve Saner said:
> >-=-=-=-=-=-
> >
> >The issue is not an understanding of how to run the system. Th
Hi,
Contact the SBL team via the Lookup form at https://check.spamhaus.org/
The form says 'IP or Domain' but it will also look up ASNs so just put your ASN
in. That will allow you to create a ticket with the right team and the issue
should then get dealt with fairly quickly.
Regards
Unless, of course, your BGP policy was written long before that RFC was
established and you didn't think it was worth the config upgrade to support
something that had been in use since around 1998 or so :)
-Steve
On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 10:27 AM Daniel Suchy via NANOG
wrote:
&g
in
email, even if they're not strictly Hackathon ideas. They are always
appreciated!
Thanks!
-Steve
PeeringDB Product Committee chair
date.
Our transits we use data from the weekly routing table reports and allow some
expansion room.
So far this works for us
Regards
Steve
Has anyone here worked with DiviNetworks (https://divinetworks.com/) to
"sell" their unused bandwidth?
I'd be curious to hear any thoughts or experiences.
Steve
--
--
Steven Saner
ntil next week.
Steve
The *.he.net cert expired today so the looking glass is inaccessible from
chrome if anyone here has a contact to rectify
r than the peak dropping at all, the peak will stretch over
a longer time period.
-Steve
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 6:50 PM Tom Paseka via NANOG
wrote:
> I am not worried. Residential ISPs are usually at peak in the late
> evening. They have loads of capacity during the day.
>
> On Thu
On 3/17/20 8:25 PM, Craig wrote:
Then comes the task of getting the legacy wiki pages off the Mac wiki
server over to the new wiki
Oh, man. If you figure that one out, let me know. I'm in the same boat
there.
What that large flow in a single LSP? Is this something that FAT lsp would
fix?
-Steve
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 5:33 PM Nimrod Levy wrote:
> I just ran into an issue that I thought was worth sharing with the NANOG
> community. With recently increased visibility on keeping the In
e, let me know
your support ticket information and I'll attempt to escalate it.
Steve
> On May 18, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Jesse DuPont
> wrote:
>
> Good morning. Does anyone have an email contact for CBS All Access streaming
> NOC? We're struggling with what appear to
g any further into an IOS XE
> platform could be dicey at best, egg-face at worst.
>
> I could be wrong...
never underestimate the desire of product managers and engineering teams to
have their own petri dishes to swim around in.
--
steve ulrich (sulrich@botwerks.*)
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sersurvey
We'd really appreciate more input from the community on what we're doing well,
could be doing better, etc. Thanks!
-Steve
> On Aug 12, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Steve McManus wrote:
>
> PeeringDB is looking at participating at an upcoming NANOG Hackathon. One of
> th
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 8:55 AM John Curran wrote:
> Tom -
>
> It’s an artifact of our formation that we are presently providing services
> to any customers absent any agreement
> and while ARIN continues to do so (by providing basic services to legacy
> customers), the long-term direction is
> to
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 9:23 AM John Curran wrote:
>
> On 16 Sep 2022, at 12:09 PM, Steve Noble wrote:
>
> (This is the direction that the ARIN Board of Trustees has set based on
>> community input; I will note that
>> the ARIN Board is itself elected by the commun
John Curran wrote on 9/16/22 9:30 AM:
On 16 Sep 2022, at 12:26 PM, Steve Noble <mailto:sno...@sonn.com>> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 9:23 AM John Curran <mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote:
Steve -
If you have IPv4 or IPv6 resources under an RSA/LRSA, then y
William Herrin wrote on 9/16/22 9:28 AM:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:09 AM Steve Noble wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 8:55 AM John Curran wrote:
It’s an artifact of our formation that we are presently providing services to
any customers absent any agreement
and while ARIN continues to do so
Hi Willy,
I will ping the OARC team on your email. Something might be up with the
list.
Steve
On 5/15/2023 8:38 PM, Willy Manga wrote:
Hi,
DNS speaking, I can query G root servers; at least, that's the most
important.
However, from several sites, either on IPv4 or IPv6, I cannot p
on our self-hosted
Mattermost server. Our chat server is where OARC meets the wider DNS
Community.
Also, I will be at NANOG 88 in Seattle in June if anyone would like to
meet up.
Regards,
Steve Sullivan
Membership Coordinator
OARC Mattermost Chat: @stevos
On 5/16/2023 8:52 AM, Steve Sulliva
recently,
I’m on 13.4 now.
I only fire up outlook to adjust filters on e-mail.
Steve
> On 23 May 2023, at 12:42, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> It may just be me, or it may not, but figured I'd ask... it seems like
> Microsoft's 365 cloud service does not
they all hanging out?
Steve
On 5/30/2023 9:56 AM, Eric Sieg wrote:
Earl,
Reach out to hel...@verizon.com. That'll open a ticket that you can
track. I can't promise how quick it'll be, but you should get someone
that can help.
On 5/30/2023 9:14 AM, Ruberts, Earl via NANO
It was brought to my attn in a PM that the DNS Affinity group may not be
that easy to find.
Try this link: <https://community.nanog.org/t/dns-affinity-group/>.
Steve
On 5/30/2023 11:53 AM, Steve Sullivan wrote:
Hi Earl,
Have you tried posting this on the DNS Affinity group in the
I always looked at Comcast's caps as pre-emptive fodder for future FCC
bargaining. The next time they want to do something with the FCC's approval
and the commission wanted a concession, they would offer it up for the
block.
-Steve
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 1:41 AM Crist Clark wrote:
Have you considered hosting a Ripe Anchor?
https://atlas.ripe.net/anchors/about/
Minimal cost, good of the Internet project, good insights, answers the use case
you describe.
Steve P
Tom Beecher wrote on 8/30/23 8:22 AM:
vendors should adopt RFC7606
Yes
and not be absolutely awful at responding to vulnerability
reporting.
1. This isn't exactly new. It's been possible to do this since the
original days of BGP.
Literally the first thing that came into my m
G are solid partners, and colocate events OFTEN, so its a great
place for DNS @ NANOG if you will.
I have facilitated more than a few connections to the DNS world there.
Thanks,
Steve Sullivan
Membership Coordinator
OARC Mattermost Chat: @stevos
On 8/31/2023 10:10 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
On Thu, A
XX was running for a Board Seat at APNIC and may have been in
attendance in the recent APNIC conference.
Very controversial stuff there, with lessons to be learned and
remembered and situations to be avoided at all costs.
Corruption and $$$.
On 9/15/2023 3:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
A mu
over the same cabling where they
were provided about 60+ standard def channels.
Any guidance appreciated.
Best;
Steve
Agreed, I remember the biggest problem when the Starr Report was released was
that our dial-up PoPs had all lines busy. It was a different Internet then.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
> Hey Mike.
>
> Agreed. But the scale of a 400 page document with global interest?
> Should be highly cached with
You might want to check with a company called Transtelco. They are an
alternate fiber provider (outside of Telmex).
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mehmet Akcin
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:20 AM
To: nanog
Subject: Mexico
Hi there
I am looking for dark fibre in several
entication
of some sort adopted by their customers. But a lot of them didn't do
that (partly, I suspect, because the ESP account was accessed by
multiple employees) and even if they did that didn't stop the lists
that had already been downloaded.
Actual compromises of the ESP, or bad behaviour of it's employees,
seem to be rather rare but customer account compromise is
everywhere.
Cheers,
Steve
esponse back after that was that it isn't in the IRR. I wrote back
showing that it in fact was in the IRR.
After a couple days of no response I commented the ticket again asking
for the issue to be escalated. Finally got a response back that it had
I think the Class E block has been covered before. There were two reasons to
not re-allocate it.
1. A lot of existing code base does not know how to handle those addresses
and may refuse to route them or will otherwise mishandle them.
2. It was decided that squeezing every bit of sp
In defense of John and ARIN, if you did not recognize that ARDC represented an
authority for this resource, who would be? The complaints would have been even
more shrill if ARIN took it upon themselves to “represent” the amateur radio
community and had denied the request or re-allocated the ass
>I can guarantee you that Akamai is very much run by beancounters in addition
>to engineers. I have first hand experience with that.
>
>I can also assure you that it’s quite unlikely that any of Comcast, Netflix,
>Facebook, Google, AT&T, T-Mobile, or Verizon just to name a few of the biggest
>ar
How about this? If you guys think your organization (club, group of friends,
neighborhood association, whatever...) got screwed over by the ARDC, then why
not apply for your own v6 allocation. You would then have complete control
over its handling and never have to worry about it again. If yo
Why bother purchasing space? CGNAT or v6 would both be better ways to go and
future proof. The v4 space you purchase today will be essentially worthless.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
>I really just want to know how I can purchase some more of that 44.
>space :)
So, if ARIN allocates a v6 assignment to ARDC how do you plan to use it without
a router or BGP. Whether it's v4 or v6 you need to route it somewhere. If you
have a PC, you can have a router and if you don't have a PC you probably don't
need to worry about any of this. If your club can't aff
> OK, I'll bite. What reasons are they giving for their resistance? (And
> if known,
> what are the *real* reasons if different?)
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2018-October/thread.html
--
Steve P
Very interesting story great work Ronald
-Original Message-
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Ronald F. Guilmette
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 2:27 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: The Curious Case of 143.95.0.0/16
Fair Warning: Those of you not enamored of my long-winded exposés of var
Just a tip, but you cannot really determine packet loss on an MPLS network with
a traceroute. The nodes between the provider edge routers may not even
represent your real path. Also, provider routers within their network will be
handling pings much differently than they handle your actual traf
A few thoughts:
1. What global organization has the ability to impose a tax on any
nation’s citizens?
2. Do you not see an issue with making everyone worldwide get rid of every
device that supports v4? Kind of a burden for a developing country, no? Also,
a bit of an e-waste proble
It's certainly financial but it's not just companies being cheap. For example
for smaller companies with a limited staff and small margins. They may want to
have v6 everywhere but lack the resources to do it. It would for certain speed
up the process but there would be collateral damage in the p
> And for bonus points, consider the following: what if all certification
> bodies of equipment, for certifications like FCC’s or CE in Europe, for
> applications after Jan 1st 2023 would include a “MUST NOT support IPv4”..
I think a good start would be: "MUST support IPv6"!
In my experience, the biggest hurdle to installing a pure IPv6 has nothing to
do with network gear or network engineers. That stuff I expect to support v6.
This biggest hurdle is the dumb stuff like machinery interfaces, surveillance
devices, the must have IP interface on such and such of an o
t I really feel like ipv6 could have
> been made more human friendly and ipv4 interoperable.
>
>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 8:49 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/2/19 3:03 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
>>> The next largest hurdle is trying to explain to your server
>Another misconception. Humans (by and large) count in decimal, base 10.
>IPv4 is not that. It only LOOKS like that. In fact, the similarity to familiar
>decimal numbers is one of the reasons that people who are new to networking
>stumble early on, find CIDR challenging, etc.
Go ahead and read
Contact the licensing authority for your municipality. There is typically a
government liaison position that *might* be able to help. If it's fiber,
you have a slightly better chance of it actually being documented, but only
slightly :)
-Steve
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:29 PM Stephen M
In my local municipality (as part of a contract renegotiation) we swapped
support of the coaxial iNet in favor of dark fiber between specific
buildings, that we would be in charge of lighting ourselves.
-Steve
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:15 AM Brandon Price
wrote:
> Are you sure it’s e
You should be able to do that with Sflow, which they all/most support.
Also, this seems like standard Ifmib stuff, any snmp poller should be able
to handle that, from a metrics perspective .
-Steve
On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 4:31 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
> I asked over at https://puck.nether.
I do the network for a few lan parties. Last year we had 400+ people on 3 IPs
and didn't have any issues. I don't think those services are that picky anymore
since the rise of CGN.
Just a side thing, but my advice is to look into setting up a lancache server
for Steam.
-Original Message--
What you have been hearing so far is correct. You do not need a license to be
an ISP other than normal business licenses in your municipality/state. The
only thing I can think of would be if you were a voice carrier or wanted to
become a CLEC which would give you better/cheaper access to loca
Two problem I see with that.
1. My TV is going to have a hard time figuring out its GPS location inside
my living room.
2. It's not hard to make a device lie about a GPS position.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Beha
Their app could request your devices location. Problem is a lot of devices
(like TVs, Apple TVs, most DVD player, i.e. device with built in Netflix) don't
know where they are and it cannot easily be added (indoor GPS is still
difficult/expensive) and even if they could should they be believed.
the world. Simple to implement and damn near impossible to
beat. Ever hear of Slingbox?
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
From: Cryptographrix [mailto:cryptograph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:42 PM
To: Naslund, Steve; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer
Well, that's the rub of the whole issue with Netflix VPN detection. They don't
actually detect the VPN, they detect a bunch of people coming from the same IP
address which they assume to be done via a VPN or proxy. Any large networks
sitting behind a single NAT are going to get looked at that
al Message -
From: "Steve Naslund"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 3:55:43 PM
Subject: RE: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
Wifi location depends on a bunch of problematic things. First, your SSID needs
to get collected and put in a database somewhere. That it
Actually it's time for Netflix to get out of the network transport business and
tell the content providers to get over it or not get carried on Netflix. It
used to be that Netflix needed content providers, now I am starting to believe
it might be the other way around. Netflix might have to tak
Chicago IL
From: Cryptographrix [mailto:cryptograph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:56 PM
To: Naslund, Steve; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
Oh I'm not suggesting for a microsecond that any provenance of location can not
be hacked, but I to
://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Naslund"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:51:38 PM
Subject: RE: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
Actually it's time for Netflix to get out of the netwo
customers a memo
explaining how badly Netflix VPN detection works and why it is so hard for us
to help with it and why they should be complaining to Netflix.
Steven Naslund
From: Cryptographrix [mailto:cryptograph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 5:06 PM
To: Naslund, Steve; nanog@nanog.org
with WiFi disabled so if
they told the lawyers that, they lied.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
From: Cryptographrix [mailto:cryptograph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 5:18 PM
To: Naslund, Steve; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
"there
few VPN providers seems a figleaf to keep the content
providers happier while inconveniencing relatively few end users - anyone
who's using a VPN or tunnel anyway can probably change things around
to avoid the blocking with little effort.
Cheers,
Steve
ystem.
Given the number of pieces of off-the-shelf packaged software that are designed
to allow the end-user, with no technical expertise required, to proxy through
an HE tunnel so as to avoid Netflix geolocation[1] I don't blame Netflix for
blocking HE tunnels, but I do blame them for doing so badly.
Cheers,
Steve
[1] e.g. https://github.com/ab77/netflix-proxy
https://i.imgur.com/LvVHJZf.png
I had to make this, talking about IPv6 or geo-ip in nanog is like throwing
blood in the water :)
Hard to know where to begin with this one, but let me take a shot at it.
1. My top priority would be to get into that Palo Alto firewall. Get Palo
Alto on the phone and figure out password recovery with them. Since you don’t
have the password it is possible that firewall is compromised. Do n
On another note, using a firewall to stop viruses is probably not going to work
in general (unless the firewall has some additional malware detection engine).
Here is the issue in a nutshell. A firewall primarily controls where people
can connect to and from on a network. The problem with th
That is a good point. In order for your PCs to be compromised via ipv6, they
would have to be able to establish ipv6 connectivity to each other or to an
internet location.
If your network is not configured to support ipv6 it will probably only be
possible for your clients to communicate with
Did you get the impression that this person asking for help was going to be
able to set that up? I didn't (if he was he would probably already know what
an ACL is). I do not know if the Catalyst he is looking at is his or his
service providers edge devices (or maybe the consultants didn't give
It is all about defense in depth. The engineers here are speaking to the
network pieces (the second N in NANOG is network, right :) and we have told
this person that it is unlikely that v6 in the only vector and I myself talked
about malware handling on the clients themselves. From a network e
le goals, but it is only possible to pick two
http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/picktwo.html
--
Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS)
UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855
1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046
Not sure where to find it exactly but the Bellcore power wiring standard is
what is used for central office installations. I think if you google Bellcore
standard you will find what you are looking for.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nano
> On Jul 26, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
>
> Have you tried to contact their Abuse?.
For a long time their abuse@ alias was (literally) routed to /dev/null. I'm not
sure whether that's still the case or whether they now ignore reports manually.
Cheers,
Steve
> On Jul 26, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Justin Paine wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> "For a long time their abuse@ alias was (literally) routed to /dev/null. I'm
> not
> sure whether that's still the case or whether they now ignore reports
> manually."
>
>
I am sure a lawyer would see it very differently, I could see someone looking
at this like racketeering. They get paid to provide a service to defend against
DDoS, well knowingly hosting people who conduct DDoS attacks. Cloudflare
profits from both the victims and the criminals. If Cloudflare is
> On Jul 27, 2016, at 9:17 AM, Baldur Norddahl
> wrote:
>
> Den 27. jul. 2016 17.12 skrev "Steve Mikulasik" :
>>
>> Disclaimer: I have a ton of respect for Clouldflare and what they do on
> the internet.
>
> They just lost all respect from here. W
A DDoS attack is illegal. In the United States it is considered as theft of
service. The legal construct used is that the DDoS attack is a theft of CPU
cycles, compute resources, and power by other than the rightful owner for its
intended purposes.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
-Original Mes
There are not international cyber crime laws because there is no international
law enforcement agency with the reach to enforce them and because most
countries like things like sovereignty. There is also an inherent conflict
between private citizen hacking and state sponsored hacking and the li
Miles is right. Their thinly veiled "stress tester" thing is not going to be
much of a defense. They must not have very good legal counsel. Here is the
issue. Stress testing is perfectly legal as long as I am:
a) Stress testing my own stuff
b) Stress testing your stuff WITH Y
It is not beyond the realm of law enforcement to run down the entire chain of
events all the way back to the “whodunit” and “howdunit”. It is pretty amazing
what they can figure out when they put their minds to it and don’t
underestimate what they can learn by getting someone in the hot seat un
;From: Phil Rosenthal [mailto:p...@isprime.com]
>Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:57 AM
>To: Naslund, Steve
>Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>Subject: Re: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare)
>
>Are you of the opinion that the victim of a DDoS attack who is not a
>multi-billion-dollar co
The best analogy to real world would be to look at CloudFare as an arms dealer.
They don't start the war but they sure enable it. The governments probably
don't care who you sell arms to until their goat gets gored and then they are
coming for you. Believe me they have more than enough laws
entities that do not take
going to war with each other as lightly as we did back in the day.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
>-Original Message-
>From: J. Oquendo [mailto:joque...@e-fensive.net]
>Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:17 PM
>To: Phil Rosenthal
>Cc: Naslund, Steve;
What he said. If I am given a court order and follow it, I can't get sued when
I knock you off the Internet.
Steven Naslund
>-Original Message-
>From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush
>Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:04 AM
>To: chris
>Cc: North American Netwo
That is pretty close to my experience. I would say nearly all carriers have
billing nightmares and some of them have networks that work well. Best
carrier for billing is a bit like asking for the best ice skater in hell.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [m
Exactly, It is unlikely they will ever be able to collect on a debt they do
not have documentation to support but that does not stop them from
disconnecting your service whenever they want. You might have legal recourse
to go after them if they disconnect you but it won’t be fast and it won't
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