I believe you were responding to me, but it was really
hard to tell. If so, here's the conversation...
> Also, please don't just look at continental countries
> when researching. Look at the small PICs (Pacific
> Island Countries). For example, search the posts from
> Christian on Kiribati
On 29/May/18 08:36, Ben Cannon wrote:
> Then Africa in particular is specifically disadvantaged - I spent a good deal
> of time in Haiti and 4G connectivity was abundant at good speeds, as were
> terrestrial fiber connections.
Haiti isn't exactly a large country.
Africa has a ton of countr
Mark Tinka wrote on 29/05/2018 08:20:
Never quite understood (or like) the term "3rd world", but...
it's a term which refers to post-WWII militarily non-aligned countries,
for example Kenya, Switzerland, Sweden or the DRC. Obviously there is a
clear correlation between mobile data coverage q
On 29/May/18 10:40, Nick Hilliard wrote:
>
>
> it's a term which refers to post-WWII militarily non-aligned
> countries, for example Kenya, Switzerland, Sweden or the DRC.
> Obviously there is a clear correlation between mobile data coverage
> quality and political neutrality stances - I don
On 05/28/2018 06:13 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:
Your 200mbit/sec link that costs you $300 in hardware
is going to cost you $4960/month to actually get IP traffic
across, in Nairobi. Yes, that's about $60,000/year.
I live in the US of A, and this is what 200Mb/s roughly would cost me as
well here
I am incredibly rural in Pennsylvania and pay about $.50 per megabit.
> On May 29, 2018, at 09:23, Lamar Owen wrote:
>
>> On 05/28/2018 06:13 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:
>> Your 200mbit/sec link that costs you $300 in hardware
>> is going to cost you $4960/month to actually get IP traffic
>> acro
I guess not all rurals are the same.
In my parts, being rural could mean not having a 2G/3G signal until you
have to climb a tree... not literally, but you get my point.
Mark.
On 29/May/18 15:27, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> I am incredibly rural in Pennsylvania and pay about $.50 per megabit.
>
>> On
I am sure these third world nations have more important things to spend
their money on rather than data plans and data devices. Things like food
and medicine come to mind...
My goodness, aren't we condescending. Since we're talking about Kenya
here, a few milliseconds of research reminds us th
Is that PennRen\Kinber?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Matt Hoppes"
To: "Lamar Owen"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:27:17 AM
Subject: Re: Impacts of Encryption
$100M+ in federal dollars goes a long way.
On 5/29/2018 10:17 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Is that PennRen\Kinber?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Matt Hoppes"
To: "Lamar Owen"
Cc: nanog@nano
Multiple providers. I don’t think I should publicly name them for various
reasons. You are a smart man though and can probably figure it out from BGP
peering tables.
> On May 29, 2018, at 10:17, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Is that PennRen\Kinber?
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligen
I know who you have and it's easily found who you use.
I was implying exactly what "ML" said".
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Matt Hoppes"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
On 29/May/18 16:16, John R. Levine wrote:
>
> My goodness, aren't we condescending. Since we're talking about Kenya
> here, a few milliseconds of research reminds us that it's a
> significant agricultural exporter. Agricultural development there is
> generally about better use of existing lan
In a message written on Mon, May 28, 2018 at 09:23:09AM -0500, Mike Hammett
wrote:
> However, this could be wildly improved with caching ala squid or something
> similar. The problem is that encrypted content is difficult to impossible for
> your average Joe to cache. The rewards for implementin
> On May 29, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
>
> Basically, while you presented the "pro" side of unencrypted content
> (being able to cache), you didn't present any of the negative side.
> I have to wonder if the villagers were given a choice of faster
> internet, where 5% of them had th
On 29/May/18 17:09, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> If you’re in $TinyVillage in $PoorAfricanCountry, do you even have a bank
> account or an online identity that could be stolen?
Bank accounts are so 2018...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Pesa
Where've you been, man :-)...
Mark.
northerners who have never traveled pontificating about africa might, or
might not, be interested in
https://afrinic.net/blog/333-revealing-latency-clusters-in-africa
randy
Based on my experience a couple of years ago while in West Africa:
If you look at the BGP adjacencies and bidirectional traceroutes for ISPs
in Sierra Leone or Liberia; Freetown and Monrovia are both are logically
suburbs of London. Just with much higher transport latencies via the
submarine fiber
On 29/May/18 18:03, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> Based on my experience a couple of years ago while in West Africa:
>
> If you look at the BGP adjacencies and bidirectional traceroutes for ISPs
> in Sierra Leone or Liberia; Freetown and Monrovia are both are logically
> suburbs of London. Just with muc
>
> The http+signature data could then be cashed just fine, and stored in
> the clear. The web site could determine what to serve up that way to
> maintain security. All POST commands would have to be HTTPS (data from
> client to server), and of course sensitive information would be returned
>
>
> The Internet in Indonesia is the very same Internet in Eritrea, as it is
> in Canada. We can't quite split that…
I admit that I haven’t been to Eritrea or Indonesia, but using Ethiopia
and Malaysia as stand-ins (which I have been to), I can say that while they
are the same internet, the level
Ah, the wonderful USF.
Here’s my take on USF. It’s a perfectly wonderful intent whose implementation
has gone horribly horribly wrong.
Instead of equalizing economic incentives for infrastructure between rural,
urban, and suburban areas, it has heavily tilted the incentives in favor of the
hig
> On May 29, 2018, at 00:05 , Scott Weeks wrote:
>
>
> I believe you were responding to me, but it was really
> hard to tell. If so, here's the conversation...
>
>> Also, please don't just look at continental countries
>> when researching. Look at the small PICs (Pacific
>> Island Count
4G depends on Radio. Radio works very well in an environment like Hispañola
(the island containing Haiti and Dominican Republic).
You’ve got some convenient very high central locations, lots of nice conductive
ground-plane salt-water surrounding the area, and very little terrain
interference fr
Ethiopia is significantly different and unique, in its own unusual way,
because of the government monopoly telecom. Other people can correct me if
I'm wrong, but unless the situation has changed in the past two years, all
small to medium sized ISPs in Ethiopia are mandated by law to be downstream
o
It was a convenient example with which I had experience near Eritrea.
My statement would apply equally for say, Zambia or Morocco.
Owen
> On May 29, 2018, at 10:58 , Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Ethiopia is significantly different and unique, in its own unusual way,
> because of the government mon
The one thing that you CAN generalize about a great many developing nation
telecom markets, which is different than the US and Western Europe:
Many urban locations have a complete absence of functioning last mile,
legacy copper telecom infrastructure, which in a US city you would see used
for ADSL
Been following the articles on "intent-based" networking from Cisco and other
vendors for a couple years now, and I have a basic grasp of the concept of
"define your goals/outcomes and automation will make it so", but I do not know
the practical applications of it or how you are supposed to conv
> Ethiopia is significantly different and unique, in its own unusual
> way, because of the government monopoly telecom.
sadly, these are far from unique; not only in africa, but asia,
oceania, even alyc, ...
randy
BGP? :-)
mh
Le 2018-05-29 20:32, LF OD a écrit :
Been following the articles on "intent-based" networking from Cisco
and other vendors for a couple years now, and I have a basic grasp of
the concept of "define your goals/outcomes and automation will make it
so", but I do not know the practical
Morocco... Sure? Data points?
mh
Le 2018-05-29 20:00, Owen DeLong a écrit :
It was a convenient example with which I had experience near Eritrea.
My statement would apply equally for say, Zambia or Morocco.
Owen
On May 29, 2018, at 10:58 , Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Ethiopia is significantly dif
It’s just another lame buzzword. As if all prior networking designs were
random! Sheesh!
The Montecarlo method is only used in statistics :)
-mel
> On May 29, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Michael Hallgren wrote:
>
> BGP? :-)
>
> mh
>
> Le 2018-05-29 20:32, LF OD a écrit :
>> Been following the articl
A substantial percentage, perhaps 100%, of the use case can be accomplished
using micro-segmentation.
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 2:33 PM LF OD wrote:
> Been following the articles on "intent-based" networking from Cisco and
> other vendors for a couple years now, and I have a basic grasp of the
> c
Everyone in Haiti had a cell phone. Everyone. Even the poorest of the poor.
They skipped the enormous expense of copper infrastructure.
The world is very different in person.
And these pockets of extreme isolation sound like a prime opportunity for a
WISP or other disruption.
-Ben
On Ma
> On May 29, 2018, at 12:49 , Ben Cannon wrote:
>
> Everyone in Haiti had a cell phone. Everyone. Even the poorest of the poor.
> They skipped the enormous expense of copper infrastructure.
>
> The world is very different in person.
>
> And these pockets of extreme isolation sound like a
"And these pockets of extreme isolation sound like a prime opportunity for a
WISP or other disruption. "
Which is what the OP of the thread I was looking at was doing, starting a WISP.
They could get a 100 - 200 megabit/s per AP access network, but their link to
the outside world is currently
On 29/May/18 19:21, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I admit that I haven’t been to Eritrea or Indonesia, but using Ethiopia
>> and Malaysia as stand-ins (which I have been to), I can say that while they
>> are the same internet, the level of development, the payment systems which
>> are usable via said i
On 29/May/18 19:58, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> Ethiopia is significantly different and unique, in its own unusual way,
> because of the government monopoly telecom. Other people can correct me if
> I'm wrong, but unless the situation has changed in the past two years, all
> small to medium sized ISPs
On 29/May/18 20:01, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> The one thing that you CAN generalize about a great many developing nation
> telecom markets, which is different than the US and Western Europe:
>
> Many urban locations have a complete absence of functioning last mile,
> legacy copper telecom infrastruc
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