I know who you have and it's easily found who you use. I was implying exactly what "ML" said".
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 9:24:41 AM Subject: Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Multiple providers. I don’t think I should publicly name them for various reasons. You are a smart man though and can probably figure it out from BGP peering tables. > On May 29, 2018, at 10:17, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Is that PennRen\Kinber? > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > To: "Lamar Owen" <lo...@pari.edu> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:27:17 AM > Subject: Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) > > I am incredibly rural in Pennsylvania and pay about $.50 per megabit. > >>> On May 29, 2018, at 09:23, Lamar Owen <lo...@pari.edu> wrote: >>> >>> On 05/28/2018 06:13 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: >>> Your 200mbit/sec link that costs you $300 in hardware >>> is going to cost you $4960/month to actually get IP traffic >>> across, in Nairobi. Yes, that's about $60,000/year. >> I live in the US of A, and this is what 200Mb/s roughly would cost me as >> well here in Rural Monopoly-land. Rural ILEC also has the CATV business, >> and, well, they are _not_ going to run cable up here. I've actually priced >> 150Mb/s bandwidth from the ILEC over the years; in 2003 the cost would have >> been about $100,000 per month. As of five years ago 10Mb/s symmetrical cost >> roughly $1,000 per month, the lion's share of that being per-mile NECA >> Tariff 5 transport costs. >> >> The terrain here prevents fixed wireless. The terrain also prevents >> satellite comms to the Clarke belt (mountain to the south with trees on US >> Forest Service property in the line of sight). I get 1XRTT in one room of my >> house when the humidity is below 70% and it's winter, and once in a blue >> moon 3G will light up, but it's not stable enough to actually use; it's the >> speed of dialup. If I traipse about a hundred yards up the mountain to the >> south (onto US Forest Service property, so, no repeater for me) I can get >> semi-usable 4G; nothing like being in the middle of the woods with an active >> black bear population trying to get a usable signal. >> >> I'm paying $50 per month for 7/0.5 DSL (I might add that they provide >> excellent DSL that has been extremely reliable) from the only ISP available >> in the area. >> >> I remember a usable web experience not too long ago on 28.8K/33.6K dialup >> (it was quite a while before said ILEC got a 56K-capable modem bank). DSL >> started out here at 384k/128k. On the positive side, we have a very low >> oversubscription ratio, so I actually get the full bandwidth the majority of >> the time, even video streaming. I also know all the network engineers there, >> too, and that also has its advantages. >> >> (Yes, I am aware that rural living is a choice, and there are things worth a >> great deal more than bandwidth, that it's a tradeoff, etc.) >> >> So it's not just '3rd-world' countries with expensive bandwidth. >> >
