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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
To: "Lamar Owen" <lo...@pari.edu> 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:27:17 AM 
Subject: Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) 

I am incredibly rural in Pennsylvania and pay about $.50 per megabit. 

> On May 29, 2018, at 09:23, Lamar Owen <lo...@pari.edu> wrote: 
> 
>> On 05/28/2018 06:13 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: 
>> Your 200mbit/sec link that costs you $300 in hardware 
>> is going to cost you $4960/month to actually get IP traffic 
>> across, in Nairobi. Yes, that's about $60,000/year. 
> I live in the US of A, and this is what 200Mb/s roughly would cost me as well 
> here in Rural Monopoly-land. Rural ILEC also has the CATV business, and, 
> well, they are _not_ going to run cable up here. I've actually priced 150Mb/s 
> bandwidth from the ILEC over the years; in 2003 the cost would have been 
> about $100,000 per month. As of five years ago 10Mb/s symmetrical cost 
> roughly $1,000 per month, the lion's share of that being per-mile NECA Tariff 
> 5 transport costs. 
> 
> The terrain here prevents fixed wireless. The terrain also prevents satellite 
> comms to the Clarke belt (mountain to the south with trees on US Forest 
> Service property in the line of sight). I get 1XRTT in one room of my house 
> when the humidity is below 70% and it's winter, and once in a blue moon 3G 
> will light up, but it's not stable enough to actually use; it's the speed of 
> dialup. If I traipse about a hundred yards up the mountain to the south (onto 
> US Forest Service property, so, no repeater for me) I can get semi-usable 4G; 
> nothing like being in the middle of the woods with an active black bear 
> population trying to get a usable signal. 
> 
> I'm paying $50 per month for 7/0.5 DSL (I might add that they provide 
> excellent DSL that has been extremely reliable) from the only ISP available 
> in the area. 
> 
> I remember a usable web experience not too long ago on 28.8K/33.6K dialup (it 
> was quite a while before said ILEC got a 56K-capable modem bank). DSL started 
> out here at 384k/128k. On the positive side, we have a very low 
> oversubscription ratio, so I actually get the full bandwidth the majority of 
> the time, even video streaming. I also know all the network engineers there, 
> too, and that also has its advantages. 
> 
> (Yes, I am aware that rural living is a choice, and there are things worth a 
> great deal more than bandwidth, that it's a tradeoff, etc.) 
> 
> So it's not just '3rd-world' countries with expensive bandwidth. 
> 

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