Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Daniel Seagraves
On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:20 PM, "Scott Weeks" wrote: > I'd be interested in knowing who it is, so I can be sure to > never buy from them. This is the way to go. Spammers and telemarketers don't do what they do for fun or malice, they do so because it's profitable. If people would stop buying fro

BGPmon.net /32 hijack alerts

2013-07-26 Thread NetSecGuy
BGPMon.net has alerted me to /32 hijacks. Does anyone have thoughts on what this might be and if it's malicious or misconfiguration? Date OriginAS Prefix Type ASPath 2013.07.24 25459 72.52.11.117/32 A 286 25459 25459 25459 2013.07.24 25459 72.52.11

Re: BGPmon.net /32 hijack alerts

2013-07-26 Thread Grzegorz Janoszka
On 26-07-13 14:59, NetSecGuy wrote: > BGPMon.net has alerted me to /32 hijacks. Does anyone have thoughts on > what this might be and if it's malicious or misconfiguration? > My first thought is leaked null routes.Is this even worth alerting on? We had similar cases. In most cases they appear

Re: BGPmon.net /32 hijack alerts

2013-07-26 Thread Job Snijders
On Jul 26, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Grzegorz Janoszka wrote: > On 26-07-13 14:59, NetSecGuy wrote: >> BGPMon.net has alerted me to /32 hijacks. Does anyone have thoughts on >> what this might be and if it's malicious or misconfiguration? >> My first thought is leaked null routes.Is this even worth

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Ryan Pavely
What about the 2am phone calls from the guy, who did a nslookup on a website, and then whois on the ip, who is calling to say his porn site is partially not working and he's pissed. imho. The days of having public records like whois/rwhois available has passed. The data use to be protected w

RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
-Original Message- From: Ryan Pavely [mailto:para...@nac.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:33 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads > Even the anti-spam army out there seem to ignore 'This is the abuse contact', and end up spamming all whois org contacts. What's the p

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jul 25, 2013, at 19:29 , "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote: > From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com] >> Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of maintaining the whois? > > Yep! > >> We registered a few domains and get the same thing, I think it's > something that people a

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:42:11 -0500, "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." said: > > Even the anti-spam army out there seem to ignore 'This is the abuse > contact', and end up spamming all whois org contacts. What's the point > in that? > > I agree. Most of them end up blasting all contacts which is completely >

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jul 26, 2013, at 09:32 , Ryan Pavely wrote: > What about the 2am phone calls from the guy, who did a nslookup on a website, > and then whois on the ip, who is calling to say his porn site is partially > not working and he's pissed. > > imho. The days of having public records like whois/rwh

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread David Conrad
On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:58 AM, "Patrick W. Gilmore" wrote: > You can change anything you want. ARIN & ICANN are both member organizations. > Propose a change, get the votes, and POOF!, things are changed. Err. ICANN isn't a membership organization. It is possible to change things at ICANN, but th

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Steven Noble
On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Jul 26, 2013, at 09:32 , Ryan Pavely wrote: > >> >> I doubt that will ever happen. So it's time for me to update my arin >> contact as this past weekend I got exactly that 2am porn call and it was >> quite disturbing which website

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Joel M Snyder
>What about the 2am phone calls from the guy, who did a >nslookup on a website, and then whois on the ip, >who is calling to say his porn site >is partially not working and he's pissed. No amount of changing contacts is going to solve this type of problem. We routinely get support calls, sometim

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jul 26, 2013, at 11:05 , David Conrad wrote: > On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:58 AM, "Patrick W. Gilmore" wrote: >> You can change anything you want. ARIN & ICANN are both member >> organizations. Propose a change, get the votes, and POOF!, things are >> changed. > > Err. ICANN isn't a membership o

RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
-Original Message- From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:47 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads On Jul 25, 2013, at 19:29 , "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote: > From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com] >>

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:59:37 -0500, "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." said: > What happen to the days when you could simply tell someone not > interested, don't call again and you wouldn't hear from them ever > again? It's not just networking - recently I received a cold call from a local company trying

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 7/26/13 8:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Jul 26, 2013, at 11:05 , David Conrad wrote: >> > On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:58 AM, "Patrick W. Gilmore" >> > wrote: >>> >> You can change anything you want. ARIN & ICANN are both member >>> >> organizations. Propose a change, get the votes, and POO

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Scott Howard
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Justin Vocke wrote: > 512-377-6827 was one of the numbers trying to get more information about > my > network and how they could "help" me. > Which appears to be http://www.siptrunksproviders.com/ Which in turns appears to be the same company as http://giglinx.co

RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Warren Bailey
My opinion: it's the rebuttal. Sales has come lightyears in the last 20 years, advertising is a direct reflection of that. If you visit a travel website, suddenly every website you visit for the next 2 weeks is how to buy what you didn't the first time. Case in point.. And I'm going to name d

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Sholes, Joshua
On 7/26/13 11:59 AM, "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote: >What happen to the days when you could simply tell someone not >interested, don't call again and you wouldn't hear from them ever >again? >Or the days when everything wasn't treated as spam When the former days disappeared, the latter

RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Alex Rubenstein
> Case in point.. And I'm going to name drop, but do not consider this a shame. > I have been looking at various filtering technologies, and was looking at > Barracudas site. I went on with my day, but noticed that filtering vendors > start showing up on random websites. Fast forward 24 hours later

RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Warren Bailey
You are not crazy. Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: Alex Rubenstein Date: 07/26/2013 9:53 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey ,"Otis L. Surratt, Jr." ,"Patrick W. Gilmore" ,NANOG list Subject: RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads > Case in point.. And I'm going to nam

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
> What happen to the days when you could simply tell someone not > interested, don't call again and you wouldn't hear from them ever > again? I don't know, but that is part of the reason why you can't ignore these people or buy from them. Ever heard of the "one bite at the apple" idea? Marke

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Michael Thomas
On 7/26/13 9:54 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote: Case in point.. And I'm going to name drop, but do not consider this a shame. I have been looking at various filtering technologies, and was looking at Barracudas site. I went on with my day, but noticed that filtering vendors start showing up on random

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jul 26, 2013, at 12:54 , Alex Rubenstein wrote: >> Case in point.. And I'm going to name drop, but do not consider this a shame. >> I have been looking at various filtering technologies, and was looking at >> Barracudas site. I went on with my day, but noticed that filtering vendors >> start s

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:54:21 -0400, Alex Rubenstein said: > The LED billboards on the side of the road displaying targeted > advertisements, based on your proximity to them, because your android phone is > telling the sign where you are. There's 6 other drivers within range. What set of targeted

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Warren Bailey
Blink twice? Is this 1996? I expect it to read my face like animals do. I simply do not care if it results in me riding in the Virgin spaceship. ;) Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: Michael Thomas Date: 07/26/2013 10:10 AM (GMT-08:00) To: nanog@nanog.org Su

RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread goemon
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. wrote: -Original Message- From: Ryan Pavely [mailto:para...@nac.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:33 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads Even the anti-spam army out there seem to ignore 'This is the abuse contact', and en

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Barry Shein
On July 26, 2013 at 13:06 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu (valdis.kletni...@vt.edu) wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:54:21 -0400, Alex Rubenstein said: > > The LED billboards on the side of the road displaying targeted > > advertisements, based on your proximity to them, because your android > > phon

Weekly Routing Table Report

2013-07-26 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, TRNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.ap

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread David Conrad
Patrick, On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: >> Err. ICANN isn't a membership organization. It is possible to change things >> at ICANN, but the mechanisms are ... different and much slower (since it >> involves getting consensus in a multi-stakeholder environment). > > Sure

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Larry Stites
NANOG : network operators are precisely those who directly assisted in creating the 'magic lamp' and the cork which held the marketing Jeanie inside. The same operators who took the cork out and rubbed the 'magic lamp'... The Jeanie is now out of the bottle and you all are complaining about it,

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:42:18AM -0700, goe...@anime.net wrote: > Because your mail servers are broken. Because you put spamfilters on > your abuse@ mailbox, IF you even have an abuse@, which a lot of you > don't. Because we tried calling, and your tier1 are clueless. > > Fix your mailservers. T

RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
-Original Message- From: Rich Kulawiec [mailto:r...@gsp.org] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:23 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:42:18AM -0700, goe...@anime.net wrote: > Because your mail servers are broken. Because you put spamfilters on

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread John Curran
On Jul 26, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > Suggestion: Put tagged addresses and, if possible, phone numbers in your ARIN > whois and other public records. When someone emails that address or calls > that number, make sure you put them on a "never buy from" list, and they know

RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Scott Weeks
--- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: From: Warren Bailey It's called retargeting and they are using cookies to do it. -- So, properly manage your cookies and this will stop: Flash cookies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loca

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread John Curran
On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:42 AM, "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote: > >> Why can't we implement a method where you have to be a registered, and > paying, user/member with an AS number to be able to get IP whois > 'contact' info? Sure list my name and company. But keep my email and > phone number private

The Cidr Report

2013-07-26 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jul 26 21:13:25 2013 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

BGP Update Report

2013-07-26 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 18-Jul-13 -to- 25-Jul-13 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS18403 52054 1.7% 86.9 -- FPT-AS-AP The Corporation for Financing & Promoting Technolo

RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Warren Bailey
I'm just saying.. It happens more frequently which means it will be the next subject of legislation.. Spam (unsolicited) has been pretty well taken care of from my perspective.. I rarely see the madness I saw only 10 years ago. Someone pointed out earlier that we were bitching about the problem

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 7/26/13, John Curran wrote: > ARIN will run the Whois database however you folks collectively want it run. > Write up the change you seek (should be fairly easy), show rough consensus > in the community for the change (slightly more difficult task), and then, I personally think there is too l

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread John Curran
On Jul 26, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > If someone studies that and finds there is a correlation to spam based > on WHOIS listing alone, > then perhaps No study has been conducted, but we do receive a small number of complaints each year about email contact information being solici

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Matt Hite
I actually think it's important to have contact information publicly available. I realize this opens the door for abuse, but I've found that using a call screening service (Google Voice) at least provides a bit of shield. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Justin Vocke wrote: > Sent this little e-

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Larry Stites wrote: NANOG : network operators are precisely those who directly assisted in creating the 'magic lamp' and the cork which held the marketing Jeanie inside. The same operators who took the cork out and rubbed the 'magic lamp'... The Jeanie is now out of the bo

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Warren Bailey
Said the Network Engineer of The City of San Francisco.. Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: Jon Lewis Date: 07/26/2013 6:17 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Larry Stites Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Larry Stites wrote: > NANOG :

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 7/26/13, Matt Hite wrote: > I actually think it's important to have contact information publicly > available. I realize this opens the door for abuse, but I've found that > using a call screening service (Google Voice) at least provides a bit of > shield. Hm.. a thought does occur, that /so

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Mark Gauvin
Lol yet we can't use the side cutters cause we all report to the corporate overlords Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-26, at 8:18 PM, "Jon Lewis" wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Larry Stites wrote: > >> NANOG : network operators are precisely those who directly assisted in >> creating the 'magic

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 7/26/13, Warren Bailey wrote: > Said the Network Engineer of The City of San Francisco.. Hey, noone said the operators at the controls don't have to give the keys up if their owners demand it -- the owners just can't drive. If you collectively piss off the guild of taxi drivers, in a wo

Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads

2013-07-26 Thread Ryan Pavely
Because your mail servers are broken. Because you put spamfilters on your abuse@ mailbox, IF you even have an abuse@, which a lot of you don't. Because we tried calling, and your tier1 are clueless. Fix your mailservers. Train your staff. Staff your abuse desk. Then we'll talk. My mail server