Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list

2013-01-12 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > I don't think roland was really saying that normal netflow from a device in > production pushing a few hundred gbps of traffic would be > appropriate to ship out the OOB network... or I hope that wasn't his point. I > don't think oob netw

Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list

2013-01-12 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 1/10/13, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 10/01/2013 13:51, Jared Mauch wrote: > - rs232: please no. it's 2013. I don't want or need a protocol which > was designed for access speeds appropriate to the 1980s. [snip] Maybe stop with rs232 versus Ethernet, and implement _both_ as separate OOB,

Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list

2013-01-12 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 12/01/2013 18:54, Jimmy Hess wrote: > The year on the calendar has little to do with the usefulness of > rs232, there has been no thorough replacement for every situation. Tell that to Juniper who appear to think that running an RE console at 9600 baud is actually OK in a emergency situation in

Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list

2013-01-12 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > I want OOB with ethernet, MDIX, 100base-TX or 1000base-TX, with DHCP client > support. With a cherry. and auto configuration that works? :) reliably? with your switch/router upstream? :)

Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list

2013-01-12 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:10 AM, Nikolay Shopik wrote: >> I had reverse tunnel from one of our DC's over a 3/4g usb dongle that >> had a measured availability of less than 50% which oddly I didn't >> consider acceptable. > > How is that possible? Nothing stops you from having the device auto-VPN b

De-funding the ITU

2013-01-12 Thread Bill Woodcock
Please consider signing this petition: http://DeFundTheITU.org …so we can stop paying for both sides of this idiotic fight. Note that if the U.S. pulls its funding from the ITU, that's 10%, and if all of the countries that stood with us at the WCIT do so, that would be 74% of the ITU's member

Re: Question about DOCSIS DHCP vs ARP

2013-01-12 Thread Robert Drake
On Friday, January 11, 2013 8:29:23 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: Many thanks. In particular, you need "cable-source-verify dhcp" to prevent self assigned IPs that are unused by neighbours. Is this something that is now basically a default for all cable operators ? Or does this command add su

Re: De-funding the ITU

2013-01-12 Thread james jones
On Saturday, January 12, 2013, james jones wrote: > And done! > > On Saturday, January 12, 2013, Bill Woodcock wrote: > >> >> Please consider signing this petition: >> >> http://DeFundTheITU.org >> >> …so we can stop paying for both sides of this idiotic fight. Note that >> if the U.S. pulls its

Re: ripe/ncc likes cookies

2013-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
> RIPE needs to fix on their web site: > > "Please turn on the cookies on your browser to view this site." > > It doesn't have to be this way... it should not be this way randy

Re: De-funding the ITU

2013-01-12 Thread John Levine
>>> Please consider signing this petition: >>> >>> http://DeFundTheITU.org Please learn a little more about the ITU before doing so. There is more to the ITU than the dysfunctional ITU-T, and the political fallout from the US being seen as a big rich bully taking its wallet and going home is like

Re: ripe/ncc likes cookies

2013-01-12 Thread Andrew Latham
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> RIPE needs to fix on their web site: >> >> "Please turn on the cookies on your browser to view this site." >> >> It doesn't have to be this way... > > it should not be this way > > randy > Local law in EU which I assumed that most knew about

Re: ripe/ncc likes cookies

2013-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
> Local law in EU which I assumed that most knew about > http://www.cookielaw.org/about-this-message.aspx this says what you must do if you want to feed the client a cookie. it does not mandate feeding them a cookie. in fact, it would seem to suggest that you might do so only if you really must.

Re: De-funding the ITU

2013-01-12 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Jan 12, 2013, at 8:17 PM, John Levine wrote: > Please learn a little more about the ITU before doing so. There is > more to the ITU than the dysfunctional ITU-T, and the political > fallout from the US being seen as a big rich bully taking its wallet > and going home is likely not worth the

Re: ripe/ncc likes cookies

2013-01-12 Thread Grant Ridder
Don't most browsers accept all cookies by default without asking the user? -Grant Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> Local law in EU which I assumed that most knew about >> http://www.cookielaw.org/about-this-message.aspx > > this says what you must do if y

Re: ripe/ncc likes cookies

2013-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
> Don't most browsers accept all cookies by default without asking the > user? no idea, but i think most browsers today block at least third party cookies by default. randy

RE: ripe/ncc likes cookies

2013-01-12 Thread Keith Medcalf
> > Don't most browsers accept all cookies by default without asking the > > user? > no idea, but i think most browsers today block at least third party > cookies by default. Most browsers accept any and all cookies by default. Many browsers can be configured into three states (1) accept anythi

Re: De-funding the ITU

2013-01-12 Thread bmanning
its not that black/white. The ITU-R is actually -very- useful and does a really good job of coordinating spectrum use and has for many years. The ITU-T, however is questionable. It is possible to fund by sector, so a blanket defunding for the entire ITU, as outlined in this petition, is a hu

Re: De-funding the ITU

2013-01-12 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:59 PM, wrote: > its not that black/white. The ITU-R is actually -very- useful I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say that, but we can't withdraw from it, which is why it's called out as an exception in the petition. -Bill

Re: De-funding the ITU

2013-01-12 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:04 PM, "Fred Baker (fred)" wrote: > ITU-D and ITU-R do a lot of good work. Care to try to cite an example? R we can't pull out of because NRO needs its slots. I'm not sure that constitutes "good work." It's minor ledger-keeping, and that's why it's excluded from the pe

Re: De-funding the ITU

2013-01-12 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Jan 12, 2013, at 8:17 PM, "John Levine" wrote: > The political fallout from the US being seen as a big rich bully taking its > wallet > and going home is likely not worth the trivial amount of money involved. Trivial to whom? Is $11M/year trivial relative to the $181M/year ITU budget? Rel

RE: ripe/ncc likes cookies

2013-01-12 Thread Scott Weeks
Many browsers can be configured into three states (1) accept anything (2) reject third-party cookies (3) reject all cookies. --- Or "ask me every time". Sites should not require cookies just to look around. I get it if there's a transaction

Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list

2013-01-12 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: >> I want OOB with ethernet, MDIX, 100base-TX or 1000base-TX, with DHCP client >> support. With a cherry. > > and auto configuration that works? :) reliably? with your > switch/rout