Re: Breaking the internet (hotels, guestnet style)

2009-12-09 Thread Jens Link
Owen DeLong writes: > I expect my connections to my mail server to actually reach my mail > server. I use TLS and SMTP AUTH as well as IMAP/SSL. Many of the "just > works" settings in question break these things badly. One of my customers has an appliance for his WLAN guest access access which

"Cool" ISPs

2009-12-09 Thread Steven Bellovin
Some folks on this list may be interested in Ars Technica's take on "cool" ISPs: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/the-coolest-isp-in-the-world.ars (note: I neither endorse nor condemn any of the ideas, ISPs, etc. In other words, don't blame me if you disagree...)

Re: "Cool" ISPs

2009-12-09 Thread Benjamin BILLON
Cocorico! Another way to measure coolness of ISPs is to check how they're engaged with common people. Several Free.fr managers (including Xavier Niel and Rani Assaf) participate personally on the FRnOG mailing-list (in addition to Free.fr newsgroups). Some SFR employees also read FRnOG. None

Re: Breaking the internet (hotels, guestnet style)

2009-12-09 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Jens Link wrote: > Owen DeLong writes: > >> I expect my connections to my mail server to actually reach my mail >> server. I use TLS and SMTP AUTH as well as IMAP/SSL. Many of the "just >> works" settings in question break these things badly. > > One of my custome

Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Sven Olaf Kamphuis
Hi NANOG readers, We've noticed that Trend Micro "mail-abuse.com" just "assumes" ips are dynamic by default, adds them to their stupid list, and then expects US to update -their- database -for them- for free to get them off their stupid list again. (as ofcourse our customers bug us when their emai

AT&T blocking individual IP addresses

2009-12-09 Thread Scott Howard
As of about an hour ago AT&T appear to have started blocking access to a few of our IP addresses. This is being done at a /32 level, and the IP addresses above and below are still allowed through. Has anyone seen them do this before, or know who I need to contact to get it fixed? AT&T won't talk

Re: AT&T blocking individual IP addresses

2009-12-09 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:22 PM, Scott Howard wrote: > Traceroute to the neighboring IP addresses don't go anywhere near the above > path, so it's apparently a blackhole of sorts. Are they bots or C&C servers, or open DNS recursors? -

Re: AT&T blocking individual IP addresses

2009-12-09 Thread Scott Howard
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: > > Traceroute to the neighboring IP addresses don't go anywhere near the > above path, so it's apparently a blackhole of sorts. > > Are they bots or C&C servers, or open DNS recursors? > They are (authenticated-required) proxy servers with

Re: AT&T blocking individual IP addresses

2009-12-09 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:03 PM, Scott Howard wrote: > They are (authenticated-required) proxy servers with 10's of thousands of > users behind them, so it's possible that they were seeing some bot-like > traffic from them, although the volume would have been tiny compared to the > volume of legit

RE: Earthlink SMTP Admin Contact?

2009-12-09 Thread Ryan Gelobter
Thanks for the number, but their NOC was unable to help me. They referred me back to their Abuse Mailbox and abuse e-mail addresses (blockedbyearthl...@abuse.earthlink.net, ab...@abuse.earthlink.net). They were unable to provide any alternative number or e-mail address. I ended up calling their

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: > We've noticed that Trend Micro "mail-abuse.com" just "assumes" ips are > dynamic by default, > > because they just assume that working, rfc compliant, reverse dns that > just-so-happens to be automatically generated would indicate dynami

Re: Earthlink SMTP Admin Contact?

2009-12-09 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Is the IP space anywhere near these - http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=limestonenetworks.com Found 7 SBL listings for IPs under the responsibility of limestonenetworks.com SBL82484 69.162.119.163/32 limestonenetworks.com 03-Dec-2009 18:14 GMT BOA phish site SBL81933

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Mike Lieman
Is there an RFC detailing that specific text strings must be used for static v. dynamic addresses? I can understanding keeping rDNS in sync, but that's not the issue here, is it? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:57 AM, William Herrin wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis > wrote

Re: Breaking the internet (hotels, guestnet style) - path asumption

2009-12-09 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 06:30:45AM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Jens Link wrote: > > > Owen DeLong writes: > > > >> I expect my connections to my mail server to actually reach my mail > >> server. I use TLS and SMTP AUTH as well as IMAP/SSL. Many of the "just > >>

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Patrick Muldoon
On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Mike Lieman wrote: > Is there an RFC detailing that specific text strings must be used for static > v. dynamic addresses? > Well there is this draft Document, FWIW, http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-msullivan-dnsop-generic-naming-schemes-00.txt Which contains sugges

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Mattinen
Mike Lieman wrote: > Is there an RFC detailing that specific text strings must be used for static > v. dynamic addresses? > > I can understanding keeping rDNS in sync, but that's not the issue here, is > it? > There is no RFC that I'm aware of, but I'd say it's pretty common for PTR records that

Re: AT&T blocking individual IP addresses

2009-12-09 Thread Paul Bennett
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:22:50 -0500, Scott Howard wrote: As of about an hour ago AT&T appear to have started blocking access to a few of our IP addresses. AT&T won't talk to me as I'm not a customer... So, wait, are they your addresses or not? -- Paul

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Mike Lieman wrote: Is there an RFC detailing that specific text strings must be used for static v. dynamic addresses? There's this expired draft http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-msullivan-dnsop-generic-naming-schemes-00.txt But really, the rdns should just clearly indicate t

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:57 AM, William Herrin wrote: > If you haven't made the effort to set up and secure a mail server then perhaps his ISP does something dumb (like verizon does) and only delegates to one server, which may/may-not be available at the time of the incident? (or is blocked/dow

Re: Breaking the internet (hotels, guestnet style) - path asumption

2009-12-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:11 PM, wrote: >        that the IP datagrams between the source and the target pass through >        the DNS server... which we -KNOW- is false. dns-tunnel

Followup regarding Joint Statement on ASN Assignment Discrepancies

2009-12-09 Thread John Curran
ARIN would like to report that it has worked with all its customers who received ASNs from the AS1707-AS1726 range and has provided them with replacement ASNs. Additionally, ARIN is now checking the other RIR databases and global routing tables just prior to issuance of any number resources (

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Michael Holstein
> we've basically told them to go to hell and we advise everyone who uses > their RBL lists to remove their RBLs from their configs, as what we have > here is a mismanaged list. > Same thing we told them (snippit of my response below). Cheers, Michael Holstein Cleveland State University >

Re: AT&T blocking individual IP addresses

2009-12-09 Thread Scott Howard
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Paul Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:22:50 -0500, Scott Howard wrote: > > As of about an hour ago AT&T appear to have started blocking access to a >> few of our IP addresses. >> > > AT&T won't talk to me as I'm not a customer... >> > > So, wait, are they

Re: Breaking the internet (hotels, guestnet style)

2009-12-09 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Jens Link wrote: > Owen DeLong writes: > >> I expect my connections to my mail server to actually reach my mail server. >> I use TLS and SMTP AUTH as well as IMAP/SSL. Many of the "just works" >> settings in question break these things badly. >> > > One of my customers has an appliance

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Mattinen
Michael Holstein wrote: Suit yourself .. but you can't arbitrarily force the Internet as a whole to adopt an unwritten standard just to make your lives easier. If we encounter problems with our end-users and not being able to deliver email reliably to one of your customers, we'll have them call

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-09 Thread Henk Steenman
On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:00 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Jonas Frey wrote: > >> the DE-CIX pricing is now 500 Euro/month...since 1st october...see end >> of that page. >> Both DE-CIX and AMS-IX have decreased their pricing this year..almost at >> the same time. I guess

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Michael Holstein
> One could argue that you are *not* complying by using a generic PTR > for a mail server. Some would say that a serious mail server should > have proper DNS records, others will say that you should accept mail > from any IP no matter what. No, we do have it correct .. they wanted us to fix all t

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Mattinen
Michael Holstein wrote: No, we do have it correct .. they wanted us to fix all the *other* ones (that can't even send mail because they're firewalled from doing so) .. $ dig -t mx csuohio.edu [..] ;; ANSWER SECTION: csuohio.edu.10800INMX10 antispam5.csuohio.edu. csuohio.edu.

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Ken Chase
To be clear: because the legitimate mailserver with a proper non-generic reverse was in a block with other generic reverses, they blacklisted you? That's egregiously harsh. SORBS was blocking a customer for a generic reverse entry, I gave them a legit looking reverse (that fwds properly too), so

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:09:20 EST, Ken Chase said: > To be clear: because the legitimate mailserver with a proper non-generic > reverse was in a block with other generic reverses, they blacklisted you? > > That's egregiously harsh. > > SORBS was blocking a customer for a generic reverse entry, I

Re: Breaking the internet (hotels, guestnet style)

2009-12-09 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Jens Link wrote: Owen DeLong writes: I expect my connections to my mail server to actually reach my mail server. I use TLS and SMTP AUTH as well as IMAP/SSL. Many of the "just works" settings in question break these things badly. O

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread John Levine
>;; ANSWER SECTION: >csuohio.edu.10800INMX10 antispam5.csuohio.edu. >csuohio.edu.10800INMX10 antispam4.csuohio.edu. >csuohio.edu.10800INMX10 antispam3.csuohio.edu. >csuohio.edu.10800INMX10 antispam2.csuohio.edu. >(and)

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Michael Holstein
> All of the DNSBLs I know are about outbound mail hosts, not inbound > ones. What are your sending hosts called? > Outbound goes through the same 4 boxes. We used to split it up (2 at MX10, 2 at MX20 .. reversed for outbound) but for capital (licensing/hardware) reasons we decided to do in/o

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Michael Holstein
> To be clear: because the legitimate mailserver with a proper non-generic > reverse was in a block with other generic reverses, they blacklisted you? > Their initial email said : [snip] Trend Micro Notification: 137.148.0.0/16 added to DUL [snip] and then went on to say : [snip] To work wi

Cogent admin request

2009-12-09 Thread Chris Cariffe
if there's a Cogent NOC admin here, can you please contact me privately, off the list. thanks. -c

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Michael Holstein wrote: Their initial email said : [snip] Trend Micro Notification: 137.148.0.0/16 added to DUL [snip] That's just lazy/sloppy. A quick survey of your /16 suggests that the majority of it has PTRs in the format of csu-137-148-36-160.csuohio.edu, which lo

Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread John Levine
>1) TOTAL ALLOCATED SPACE – in CIDR format > Please include all information for the space you announce. > The total of Static and Dynamic space must equal the > Total Allocated Space. >2) DYNAMIC SPACE LIST - in CIDR format >3) STATIC SPACE LIST - in CIDR Format >[snip] > >Which was,

RE: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Frank Bulk
Michael: I've seen their form, too. I think you're reading too much into their policies/requests. Does it matter if they label your non e-mail server IPs as dynamic space, and therefore put it on their DUL? Frank -Original Message- From: Michael Holstein [mailto:michael.holst...@csuo

RE: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Frank Bulk
Each network can decide how they want to run their network, and Trend Micro can make any list they like, but if cb3rob.net wants to send e-mail to other networks that use Trend Micro's list for spam control, cb3rob.net will have to decide whether to comply with the other network's rules, even if th

RE: Arrogant RBL list maintainers

2009-12-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Frank Bulk wrote: Two sides of an SP's coin: I want to maximize my e-mail servers' deliverability, so I make sure those have appropriately named PTRs and make sure that outbound messages aren't spammy; I also want to restrict The point he was trying to make is that there is

Data Centre - Advice? (Shenzhen, China)

2009-12-09 Thread Scott E. MacKenzie
Hi, Does anyone have any great websites to share or advice where I can locate all the tier one Internet Data Centre (IDC) providers in Shenzhen China? My second question would be on any advice that anyone can offer about the problems that can be faced operating your technology foot print in