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Hi there...
We've done the financial study and we've taken great lengths in netflow
analysis to do estimated traffic flows at each peering location etc.
This was factored before I posted and as I mentioned in an earlier
posting - the cost element is pretty much addressed already with our
transit/p
The most interesting part of the press release to me is:
In the over 1300 on-net locations worldwide where Cogent provides service,
Cogent is offering every Sprint-Nextel wireline customer that is unable to
connect to Cogent's customers a free 100 megabit per second connection to
the Internet f
There was no attempt to provoke controversy - I'm in the OP in this...
there have been many replies that don't relate to my question though...
I don't believe I have a lack of understanding neither - we do smaller
scale peering today. I was however trying to look for positive and
negative reasons
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* David W. Hankins
> It is almost lunacy to deploy IPv6 in a customer-facing sense (note
> for example Google's choice to put its on a separate FQDN). At
> this point, I'd say people are still trying to figure out how clients
> will migrate to IPv6. Which seems like a pretty bad time to sti
Nick Hilliard wrote:
And they'll do it to others in future peering spats. It's just a
bullying tactic - entertaining if you're on the sideline; irritating if
you're Sprint.
Cogent reminds me of Ethan Coen's poem, which starts:
The loudest has the final say,
The wanton win, the rash h
Best guess would be traffic ratio related - that always seems to be related to
de-peering. One side doesn't like the amount of traffic coming in versus going
out etc...
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Justin Shore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:03 AM
To: Nic
> > This wasn't the first time Cogent offered something similar. They did the
> > same thing when Level3 depeered them.
>
> And they'll do it to others in future peering spats. It's just a bullying
> tactic - entertaining if you're on the sideline; irritating if you're Sprint.
It is certainly
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Brandon Galbraith wrote:
On 10/30/08, Jared Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Oct 30, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Deepak Jain wrote:
I wonder if judicious use of 6to4 and Teredo would allow an IPv6 (single
homed) user to access now missing parts of the Internet. Me thinks, yes
> So why do SPs keep depeering Cogent? Serious question, why? I'm not
> aware of any Intercage-like issues with them. I've actually considered
> them as a potential upstream when we expand into a market they serve.
Because some SP's still have a sour taste in their mouth about what Cogent did
On Oct 31, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
The most interesting part of the press release to me is:
In the over 1300 on-net locations worldwide where Cogent provides
service,
Cogent is offering every Sprint-Nextel wireline customer that is
unable to
connect to Cogent's customers a
Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Why do I say stupid?
Because, if companies like Sprint continue to do things like what
Sprint is doing, this will certainly lead to being noticed by
legislators, and the next thing we know we will have federally
regulated peering or backbone network operating. I can see i
Larry Sheldon wrote:
I think you are wrong to the extent that BOP will be under the
Department Of Fairness.
OOps.
My bad.
Ministry of Fairness.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andy Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 30 Oct 2008, at 13:03, HRH Sven Olaf Prinz von CyberBunker-Kamphuis
>MP wrote:
>> (the amsix with their many outages and connected parties that rely
>> primarliy on it's functionality is a prime example here)
>
>I run i
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Nick Hilliard wrote:
This wasn't the first time Cogent offered something similar. They did the
same thing when Level3 depeered them.
And they'll do it to others in future peering spats. It's just a bullying
tactic - entertaining if you're on the sideline; irritating if
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Lewis) wrote:
> It seems to me, it's a rather empty offer though. How many Sprint
> customers affected by the Sprint/Cogent depeering are actually in
> facilities where they can get that free Cogent connection without paying
> for expensive backhaul to reach Cogent and a
On Oct 31, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Why do I say stupid?
Because, if companies like Sprint continue to do things like what
Sprint is doing, this will certainly lead to being noticed by
legislators, and the next thing we know we will have federally
regulate
On Oct 31, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Oct 31, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Why do I say stupid?
Because, if companies like Sprint continue to do things like what
Sprint is doing, this will certainly lead to being noticed by
legislators, and th
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Colin Alston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The URL Comcast gives with the spam block message is invalid. I doubt
> I'll get action through their support channels either, and I can't even
> find a useful looking one of those on their website...
The URL you want is ht
I would have to agree with Alex that if behavior like this doesn't stop that
the Fed would get involved(regardless of which party is in office). Is this
type of behavior called 'peer pressure', maybe there are care groups to help
these victims. Overall... it is one thing if Sprint and Cogent g
On 31/10/2008 13:23, Joe Greco wrote:
It is certainly not "just" a bullying tactic. It may be "A" bullying
tactic, I won't even attempt to guess at the intent, but the tactic also
has the very real side effect of re-establishing full connectivity to
Sprint-connected sites that lose it.
you-re
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Alex Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why do I say stupid?
>
> Because, if companies like Sprint continue to do things like what Sprint is
> doing, this will
> certainly lead to being noticed by legislators, and the next thing we know we
> will have federa
Google's statistics are using themselves as the subject, a fixed point
in the network. It's hard to guarantee that subjective experience is
going to be equal across the entirety of the network, but let us
presume for the purpose of discussion that they are.
I think the point in the final analysis
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 03:55:01PM +, Andy Davidson wrote:
> Do you think that industry should be working to some kind of well supported
> / worldwide flag day when lots of popular resources add v6 records at the
> same time ?
This is a sound evolutionary tactic lemmings use. =)
But I'll t
David W. Hankins wrote:
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 03:55:01PM +, Andy Davidson wrote:
Do you think that industry should be working to some kind of well supported
/ worldwide flag day when lots of popular resources add v6 records at the
same time ?
This is a sound evolutionary tactic lemmings
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:41:01AM -0600, Mike Lewinski wrote:
>> This is a sound evolutionary tactic lemmings use. =)
>
> I know this is way OT, but I can't let it pass. The lemming suicide myth
> was created by a very questionable Walt Disney documentary:
This is also way OT, but I was actuall
"Paul Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ...
>
> My question was meant at a much higher level - a level where costs are
> equal for peering/transit and all the "technical" and the "financial"
> homework has been done already now I'm the stage of one last meeting
> with top level managemen
Why does the controversy word keep coming up? You're the third person
now to ask if I was trying to provide controversy and for the third time
, NO I AM NOT.
And again, I *do* understand the issues at hand - although some new
viewpoints I hadn't considered before came up and thank you.
My questi
My company will be peering with two other SPs in the area purely for
business strategic purposes. It turns out that at least one of these SPs
owns the fiber running to the first CO in our transit back to Chicago.
So it helps to be buddies with these companies.
Paul Vixie wrote:
> "Paul Stewart" <[
On Oct 31, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Why does the controversy word keep coming up? You're the third person
now to ask if I was trying to provide controversy and for the third
time
, NO I AM NOT.
And again, I *do* understand the issues at hand - although some new
viewpoints I h
vijay gill writes:
>This is probably going to be a somewhat unpopular opinion, mostly
>because people cannot figure out their COGS. If you can get transit
>for cheaper than your COGS, you are better off buying transit and not
>peering. There are some small arguments to be made for latency and
>'ch
David W. Hankins wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:41:01AM -0600, Mike Lewinski wrote:
>>> This is a sound evolutionary tactic lemmings use. =)
>> I know this is way OT, but I can't let it pass. The lemming suicide myth
>> was created by a very questionable Walt Disney documentary:
>
> This is
If you haven't already seen it, the great Todd Underwood of Renesys
published an article today on his blog regarding this subject:
http://www.renesys.com/blog/2008/10/wrestling-with-the-zombie-spri.shtml
An aside, WV Fiber (AS19151) is currently partitioned from Cogent since
AS19151 only contract
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 01:20:23PM -0400, Randy Epstein wrote:
> We hope Sprint and Cogent work out their differences, but in the mean time,
> we unfortunately will remain partitioned from Cogent.
Randy,
This brings up something I've always wondered. Why do we have
public depeeri
On Oct 31, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Majdi S. Abbas wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 01:20:23PM -0400, Randy Epstein wrote:
We hope Sprint and Cogent work out their differences, but in the
mean time,
we unfortunately will remain partitioned from Cogent.
Randy,
This brings up something
On Oct 31, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
Maybe they can bring it up at the November 4th FCC open meeting :
[snip]
While I agree regulation is a possible outcome, I am always amazed at
the US gov't self-delusion that they can somehow regulate something
like the Internet.
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On Oct 31, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
Maybe they can bring it up at the November 4th FCC open meeting :
[snip]
While I agree regulation is a possible outcome, I am always amaz
ever heard of the concept "open market"
ipv4 address space delegations will just move from the rirs to places like
ebay, problem solved.
most of it is unused anyway (milnet, amateur radio ranges, etc)
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> So why do SPs keep depeering Cogent?
Karma.
brandon
Hello,
If there is anyone from the BBC ip/peering dept here, please could they
contact me offlist concerning a problem we have?
Thanks,
Chris
On Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 10:08:06PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If there is anyone from the BBC ip/peering dept here, please could they
> contact me offlist concerning a problem we have?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] should reach the right people. Let me know if you get no
response from that address and
Why do some companies like Cogent get depeered relatively often and companies
like Teleglobe don't even get talked about and operate in silence free from
depeering?
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