Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
I think it began a while ago, but I suspect it'll increase. There's now two trans-Russian terrestrial systems, and more investment in Asia - Europe cables. Initially the capacity will be used for redundancy and to shorten latencies (ie. just to go around the other way and because it's quicke

Re: community real-time BGP hijack notification service

2008-09-14 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 03:07 PM 12-09-08 +0100, Andy Davidson wrote: On 12 Sep 2008, at 13:49, Nathan Ward wrote: On 12/09/2008, at 10:42 PM, Gadi Evron wrote: Hi, WatchMy.Net is a new community service to alert you when your prefix has been hijacked, in real-time. I just had a quick play with this, as I've bee

RE: community real-time BGP hijack notification service

2008-09-14 Thread Hank Nussbacher
The best system so far would be IAR: http://iar.cs.unm.edu/ The email notices are pretty much on time and accurate. Problem is they have changed the system and I believe some forum page/link has gone lost that allows one to manage existing subscriptions as per: http://iar.cs.unm.edu/alerts.php#e

Re: community real-time BGP hijack notification service

2008-09-14 Thread Pekka Savola
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008, Hank Nussbacher wrote: I have used IAR, PHAS and MyASN and I can say I would not recommend myASN. It is a cumbersome system and very non-intuitive. It is based on an ASN-centric model, whereby each ASN is in its own realm. So if you manage *one* ASN, perhaps this system m

Re: InterCage, Inc. (NOT Atrivo)

2008-09-14 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Sep 12, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Steve Gibbard wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Going back a bit in case you forgot, we were discussing the fact you have NO RIGHT to connect to my network, it is a privilege, not a right. You responded with: "If I have either a peering agr

ARP Table Timeout and Mac-Address-Table Timeout

2008-09-14 Thread Steven King
I am a network engineer for a large web hosting company. We are having an issue with our distribution routers flooding traffic in one of our VLANs. We have a customer with a routed mode ASA 5550. They have their own private VLAN that is a /23 This VLAN is 145. The outside interface of the firewall

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Other cable systems predated FLAG (at least for voice). SEA-ME-WE predates FLAG by almost a decade. I'm sure some digging would reveal a bit more on that path either submarine or terrestrial. MMC On 15/09/2008, at 11:06 AM, Joe Abley wrote: On 14 Sep 2008, at 19:41, Jean-François Mezei

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14 Sep 2008, at 19:41, Jean-François Mezei wrote: Did western europe ever really have a primary route via the USA to reach asia ? Yes, I think so. If I remember correctly, before FLAG started laying cables, there was no terrestrial route to Asia from Europe that didn't involve North

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Jean-François Mezei
Hank Nussbacher wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/business/30pipes.html?partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all Pardon my ignorance here, but isn't this more of a case of traffic growing outside of the USA which means that traffic within the USA represents a smaller share of the total

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: I don't think any of this will be because of sinister reasons, just for good engineering reasons and probably just to guarantee, without a doubt, that your circuit does NOT go through One Wilshire! Just to ensure no confusion - this was just about redundancy and d

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Jamie A Lawrence
I don't think any of this will be because of sinister reasons, just for good engineering reasons and probably just to guarantee, without a doubt, that your circuit does NOT go through One Wilshire! What exactly would be sinister about moving traffic through routes that didn't intersect the

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
On 15/09/2008, at 10:46 AM, Jean-François Mezei wrote: Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: Most Asian providers (at least Northern Asia) use USA, Atlantic path to get to Europe. The capacity going Westt isn't that high in comparision, so the extra latency hit is well offset by the much reduced co

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Murtaza
Nothing if the reason isn't to avoid the US to prevent interception. ie. my point was the people are doing this for engineering reasons not political ones as was implied by that article. I don't see it sinister even if someone wants to avoid US due to interception. But, yes I agree people are do

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Jean-François Mezei
Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: > Most Asian providers (at least Northern Asia) use USA, Atlantic path to > get to Europe. The capacity going Westt isn't that high in comparision, > so the extra latency hit is well offset by the much reduced cost. I take it voice would have priority for use of the

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Pardon my ignorance here, but isn't this more of a case of traffic growing outside of the USA which means that traffic within the USA represents a smaller share of the total internet traffic ? I suspect so - especially with CDN/Content providers pushing traffic out to the edge it means that

RE: ARP Table Timeout and Mac-Address-Table Timeout

2008-09-14 Thread Frank Bulk
Steven: This was recently discussed on cisco-nsp: http://marc.info/?l=cisco-nsp&m=121316151010190&w=2 Frank -Original Message- From: Steven King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:27 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARP Table Timeout and Mac-Address-Table Timeou

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Jamie A Lawrence wrote: What exactly would be sinister about moving traffic through routes that didn't intersect the U.S. border? Nothing if the reason isn't to avoid the US to prevent interception. ie. my point was the people are doing this for engineering reasons not political ones as

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Rubens Kuhl Jr.
> For instance, out of Australia we have a single, old cable going West out of > Perth to Singapore (SEA-ME-WE3) which allows only low speed circuits, but > we've got almost 4 (as of next year) cables going North and East out of > Sydney. So most Europe traffic to/from Australia is via the USA.

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Jim Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >UAE/Dubai is a major landing point for many asian/indian ocean fibers, but >there is no equivilent of One Wilshire/60 Hudson/etc. > >so, as the data finds more and better direct routes to the end user, >redu

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Jim Mercer
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 06:11:28AM +0530, Murtaza wrote: > Nothing if the reason isn't to avoid the US to prevent interception. ie. > my point was the people are doing this for engineering reasons not > political ones as was implied by that article. > > I don't see it sinister even if someone wa

Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.

2008-09-14 Thread Murtaza
But, it still is impossible in many asses, as ISPs in many countries are still not cooperating with each other. But, it still is impossible in many cases, On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Murtaza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Nothing if the reason isn't to avoid the US to prevent interception. ie