Dear nanog,
I'm asking the group to stay focussed on network operator topics.
While I appreciate the time and effort spend on the original legal
research in this thread, I fear the problem space of what defines libel
or slander is too far removed from the mailing list charter as described
here: h
Guys,
Actually, thank you for the responses. I was hoping you wouldn’t take my
attempt at friendly and humorous conversation the wrong way. I appreciate the
education on the topic, as well. :)
However, I’d like to ask a few questions on it, if you don’t mind? (Also -
you’re right, it’s not the
On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 01:11:09 +0200, Jonathan Hall said:
> And either way, defamation requires some form of punitive damage be proven in
> order to act ually win that case.
In addition to the other things already pointed out, punitive damage doesn't
need to be proven.
*Actual* damages have to be p
On 8/16/2016 21:13, William Herrin wrote:
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Jonathan Hall wrote:
if I’m not mistaken (don’t worry, I’m not) - this doesn’t count
as ‘slander’ in any way, shape or form.
Jonathan,
Technically you're right, but not for the reason you think. Slander is
verbal d
For the record: Extortion(n) Law. *the crime of obtaining money or some
other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.* Not sure
if (according to the provided account) a service provider threatening to
disable a critical business service unless rendered a sum of money the
service p
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Jonathan Hall wrote:
> if I’m not mistaken (don’t worry, I’m not) - this doesn’t count
> as ‘slander’ in any way, shape or form.
Jonathan,
Technically you're right, but not for the reason you think. Slander is
verbal defamation. Libel is written defamation. The
Jon,
You're mistaken. This has nothing to do with being or not being an
FCC-controlled medium. It has to do with published statements that may not be
true -- which are classified as libel, not slander (slander is spoken, libel is
written). If you post it in a mailing list, or on Facebook, it's
Excuse me for chiming in, here… But, if I’m not mistaken (don’t worry, I’m not)
- this doesn’t count as ‘slander’ in any way, shape or form. This mail thread
is not any kind of valid FCC controlled or public communications device, as the
internet was actually excluded from the public communicati
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Niels Bakker
wrote:
>
> An actual lawyer! Where were you in the CloudFlare booters thread, though?
>
Key legal skills are knowing when to stay out of fights and when to keep
one's mouth shut (i.e. most of the time.)
--
Fletcher Kittredge
GWI
207-602-1134
www.g
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:53:23 +0200, Niels Bakker said:
> An actual lawyer! Where were you in the CloudFlare booters thread, though?
Keeping sensibly quiet, I think... :)
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An actual lawyer! Where were you in the CloudFlare booters thread, though?
-- Niels.
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"It's amazing what people will do to get their name on the internet,
which is od
>> to say "our accounting system does not track invoice details -- it only
>> shows the total amount due so your numbers mean nothing to us."
>> All the while they relentlessly levied disconnect threats with short
>> timelines such as: "if you don't pay us $128,000 by this Friday,
>> we will shu
Midwest Internet Exchange
> >
> > The Brothers WISP
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >
> > From: "HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG"
> > To: nanog@nanog.org
> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:50:46 AM
> > Subject: Zayo Ex
On 8/15/2016 07:29, Mike Hammett wrote:
Try more facts and less emotion.
I remember a day when I was banned from NANOG of less emotion and lots
more factual content.
- Original Message -
From: "HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG"
Red-flag line.
[much snippage has occurred]
A Zay
st 15, 2016 1:00 PM
To: HonorFirst Name Ethics
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Zayo Extortion
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 11:50 AM, HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG
wrote:
> to say "our accounting system does not track invoice details -- it only shows
> the total amount due so your numbers
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Try more facts and less emotion.
+1
> From: "HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG"
> they relentlessly levied disconnect threats with short timelines
> such as: "if you don't pay us $128,000 by this Friday, we will
> shut your operation down.
[mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Florian Weimer
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 1:10 PM
To: Chris Knipe
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Zayo Extortion
* Chris Knipe:
> Although a company that can't manage their book keeping properly, is
> IMHO enough reason to not use them..
* Chris Knipe:
> Although a company that can't manage their book keeping properly, is IMHO
> enough reason to not use them... :-)
Ther used to be a saying that you could choose between carries with
functional billing and carriers with a functional network.
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 11:50 AM, HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG
wrote:
> to say "our accounting system does not track invoice details -- it only shows
> the total amount due so your numbers mean nothing to us."
> All the while they relentlessly levied disconnect threats with short
> timeline
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 5:41 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 11:16:26 -0400, Jon Lewis said:
> > Obvious first question would be, have you fallen behind paying your bill?
>
> And if you're in fact up-to-date, make sure you have *proof* of same. It's
> not unheard of for providers to mis-credit y
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 11:16:26 -0400, Jon Lewis said:
> Obvious first question would be, have you fallen behind paying your bill?
And if you're in fact up-to-date, make sure you have *proof* of same. It's
not unheard of for providers to mis-credit your payments and then think you're
behind. Usually
Obvious first question would be, have you fallen behind paying your bill?
Most service providers will threaten to disrupt your service if you don't
pay for the services they provide.
I would expect you're months behind paying for service before they say:
"if you don't pay us $128,000 by this F
Nope, have not seen any of this bad stuff you speak of.
I can say that over the last few years i have done a ton business with Zayo
and they are top flight in every respect.
On Saturday, August 13, 2016, HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG <
nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
> Question to the NANOG communi
rothers WISP
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG"
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:50:46 AM
> Subject: Zayo Extortion
>
> Question to the NANOG community, Is anyone else being extorted
Try more facts and less emotion.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:50:46 AM
Sub
Question to the NANOG community, Is anyone else being extorted by Zayo? Is
Zayo threatening shutdown over bogus and fabricated charges?
The purpose of this message to the group is twofold: 1) to share our experience
being extorted by Zayo with the community and 2) to understand the depth and
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