> On Feb 27, 2024, at 08:54, Dave Taht wrote:
> One of the things I learned today was that starlink has published an
> extensive guide as to how existing BGP AS holders can peer with them to get
> better service.
Yes, essentially every AS does this. The ones that follow best-practices tend
to
> On Feb 27, 2024, at 08:54, Dave Taht wrote:
> One of the things I learned today was that starlink has published an
> extensive guide as to how existing BGP AS holders can peer with them to get
> better service.
Yes, essentially every AS does this. The ones that follow best-practices tend
Or this: https://bgp.tools/as/14593#peers
Personally I find bgp.tools to be the friendliest…
I realize that this thread is turning into an Me too! type
thread, but it does seem useful to share which tools work best for each of
us…
W
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 7:33 AM, Marco Davids wrote:
> Or
The best way I've found (and it is indeed rather incomplete) is to have a BGP
feed going to something like QRator from that AS (or a downstream AS) that then
performs analytics on the BGP feed. Starlink is unlikely to have BGP customers,
so that makes it a bit more difficult.
https://radar.qr
Or this?
https://bgp.he.net/AS14593#_peers6
Op 27/02/2024 om 13:17 schreef b...@uu3.net:
Well, for some basic overview you can use CAIDA AS rank.
You can use it directly, or you may try my (more user friendly)
frontend for it: http://as-rank.uu3.net/?as=14593
-- Original message
Well, for some basic overview you can use CAIDA AS rank.
You can use it directly, or you may try my (more user friendly)
frontend for it: http://as-rank.uu3.net/?as=14593
-- Original message --
From: Dave Taht
To: NANOG
Subject: starlink ixp peering progress
Date: Tue, 27 Feb
Jorge Amodio wrote:
You, seemingly, do not have much knowledge on UUNET.
Of course I don't :-)
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> You, seemingly, do not have much knowledge on UUNET.
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Jorge Amodio wrote:
This gets sort of merged with DTN (Delay/Disruption Tolerant Networking.)
I have been saying that DTN is a reinvention of UUNET.
Hmmm, nope not even close.
You, seemingly, do not have much knowledge on UUNET.
As such, it should be noted that, in UUNET, availability of
>
>
> > This gets sort of merged with DTN (Delay/Disruption Tolerant Networking.)
>
> I have been saying that DTN is a reinvention of UUNET.
>
Hmmm, nope not even close.
>
> As such, it should be noted that, in UUNET, availability of
> phone links between computers was scheduled.
>
You must be
Jorge Amodio wrote:
We are in the process of starting a new Working Group at IETF, Timer
Variant Routing or TVR.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tvr/about/
Some of the uses cases are for space applications where you can predict or
schedule the availability and capacity of "links" (radio, opt
I think it's useful to clarify terminology - the starlink antenna unit
itself is the CPE. With my v1 starlink terminal you can plug literally
anything into the PoE injector that is a 1500 MTU 1000BaseT DHCP client and
it'll get an address and a default route out to the internet. All of the
smarts
FYI,
We are in the process of starting a new Working Group at IETF, Timer
Variant Routing or TVR.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tvr/about/
Some of the uses cases are for space applications where you can predict or
schedule the availability and capacity of "links" (radio, optical)
This gets
On 1/23/23 3:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
The original and traditional high-cost way of how this is done for
MEO/LEO is exemplified by an o3b terminal, which has two active
motorized tracking antennas. The antenna presently in use for the
satellite that is overhead follows it until it's descendi
The original and traditional high-cost way of how this is done for MEO/LEO
is exemplified by an o3b terminal, which has two active motorized tracking
antennas. The antenna presently in use for the satellite that is overhead
follows it until it's descending towards the horizon, while at the same
tim
My original thought was this would be more like Client Optimized Roaming with
WiFi access points.
Communication between the client dish or base station and satellites to
transparently move client dish and base station from satellites moving out of
view to a satellite in view.
Kevin McCormick
For the people who have seen their US48 state earth station setups in
person it is pretty normal on the network level. Being colocated with major
inter-city long haul dark fiber DWDM regen sites (Level3 dark fiber path
Seattle to Boise, ID which has a regen hut site in Prosser, WA is a perfect
exam
Don’t quote me on this, but I wouldn’t say they are doing anything different
than you or I can do and have access to on the routing layer. It's probably
just Nokia and Arista and whatever those systems provide. Stuff like Tunneling,
ECMP, BFD and VxLan... Think spatially coordinated Zerotier and
My present understanding is that starlink satellites with lasers are not
designed to communicate inter-plane. Each launch of starlink satellites is
put into exactly the same orbital inclination (53.2 degrees or the more
rare near polar orbits now launched from Vandenberg).
In the weeks and months
(inline)
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:44 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
the ability to route messages between each satellite. Would conventional
>> routing protocols be up to such a challenge?
>
>
If conventional is taken to mean "stock" link-state stuff, then probably no
(speculating).
> Or would it h
On 2023-01-23 19:08, I wrote:
> I get that for 1310 nm light, the doppler shift would be just under
> 0.07 nm, or 12.2 GHz:
> [...]
> In the ITU C band, I get the doppler shift to be about 10.5 GHz (at
> channel 72, 197200 GHz or 1520.25 nm).
> [...]
> These shifts are noticably less than typical
Appreciate that. Definitely becoming clear to me that a lot of my knowledge
here was rusty. Lots of papers on this specifically (Doppler effects on
optical ISL) that I need to call in some favors to get access to.
Thanks!
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:08 PM Thomas Bellman wrote:
> On 2023-01-23 17:
I think it's also likely that only modest, if any, WDM is required on those
links, because the goal in most cases will only be to go far enough to get
down to a ground station (excepting some low latency transatlantic use
cases I have read might be in the offing), and because the satellite RF
uplin
On 2023-01-23 17:27, Tom Beecher wrote:
> What I didn't think was adequately solved was what Starlink shows in
> marketing snippets, that is birds in completely different orbital
> inclinations (sometimes close to 90 degrees off) shooting messages to each
> other. Last I had read the dopplar effec
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 8:54 PM Tom Beecher wrote:
> Yes re: Iridium. Contrary to what the Chief Huckster may say, inter-sat comms
> are not some revolutionary thing that he invented.
1990s Iridium was a modified version of GSM/ATM with the packetization
and routing that implies. I don't know th
>
> Elon for whatever reason is insane enough to dump a lot of cash in
> industries which everyone said was a dead end and then has been lucky
> enough to prove the old guard wrong.
>
>
- Nobody had 'given up' on reusable launch vehicles. SpaceX (to their
credit) just made it a core requirement in
Raymond / Jorge -
Thanks for that info. Quoting from the paper, that does match my current
understanding, being :
II. FEATURES OF INTER-SATELLITE COMMUNICATION LINKS AND DESIGN
> CONSIDERATIONS This work is aimed to design efficient ISCs links for a
> group of small satellites flying in cluster f
Like I said, they're calling it revolutionary. Didn't say it was.
However the idea that you can build spaceships which are fully reusable was
certainly around the industry, but the consensus was largely "we tried, it
costs too much, so we're sticking with one use rockets". Elon for
whatever
Musk didn't do anything revolutionary, besides launching a shload of LEO
satellites.
NASA and DoD have been working for long time on optical space
communications, last year LCRD was launched and preliminary tests using it
as a relay showed 622Mpbs, this year NASA will include on one of the
cargo m
Matthew Petach wrote:
Unlike most terrestrial links, the distances between satellites are
not fixed, and thus the latency between nodes is variable, making the
concept of "Shortest Path First" calculation a much more dynamic and
challenging one to keep current, as the latency along a path may be
I think the thing they're calling revolutionary is the idea of those links
being directional lasers.
It makes some sense... if you can basically emit the same signal you'd
shoot down a strand of single mode but aim it through the mostly vacuum of
space in the exact direction of your neighbor then
Solved years ago …
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielaam/92/8502886/8412572-aam.pdf
-Jorge
> On Jan 23, 2023, at 1:30 AM, Raymond Burkholder wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 1/22/23 21:54, Tom Beecher wrote:
>> Yes re: Iridium. Contrary to what the Chief Huckster may say, inter-sat
>> comms are not some r
On 1/22/23 21:54, Tom Beecher wrote:
Yes re: Iridium. Contrary to what the Chief Huckster may say, inter-sat
comms are not some revolutionary thing that he invented.
It’s also not likely to function anything like they show in marketing
promos, with data magically zipping around the constell
On 23/01/2023 0:42, Michael Thomas wrote:
I read in the Economist that the gen of starlink satellites will have
the ability to route messages between each satellite. Would
conventional routing protocols be up to such a challenge? Or would it
have to be custom made for that problem? And since a
Yes re: Iridium. Contrary to what the Chief Huckster may say, inter-sat
comms are not some revolutionary thing that he invented.
It’s also not likely to function anything like they show in marketing
promos, with data magically zipping around the constellation between nodes
in different inclination
I suspect, although I have no references, that satellite to ground
connectivity is probably more “circuit-based” than per-packet or frame.
Iridium has done inter satellite communication for decades. I wonder if it
wouldn’t be something very similar. Although it would be totally on-brand
for them t
On 1/22/23 16:05, Matthew Petach wrote:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 2:45 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
I read in the Economist that the gen of starlink satellites will have
the ability to route messages between each satellite. Would
conventional
routing protocols be up to such a challe
On 1/22/23 3:05 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 2:45 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
I read in the Economist that the gen of starlink satellites will have
the ability to route messages between each satellite. Would
conventional
routing protocols be up to such a cha
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 2:45 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
> I read in the Economist that the gen of starlink satellites will have
> the ability to route messages between each satellite. Would conventional
> routing protocols be up to such a challenge? Or would it have to be
> custom made for that pro
m: "Eric Kuhnke"
To: "nanog@nanog.org list"
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 2:06:57 PM
Subject: Re: starlink downlink/internet access
AS14593 is not new, they joined the SIX 3+ years ago, from an outside-of-spacex
view they have just recently within the past 12 m
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> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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> *From: *"Eric Dugas via NANOG"
> *To: *"Tom Beecher"
> *C
dnesday, January 11, 2023 10:23:15 AM
Subject: Re: starlink downlink/internet access
Starlink has nothing to do with Google Fiber. It used to use Google Cloud for
routing (BYOIP) in the early days but I am sure this has changed.
Eric
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 9:51 AM Tom Beecher < beec.
Starlink has nothing to do with Google Fiber. It used to use Google Cloud
for routing (BYOIP) in the early days but I am sure this has changed.
Eric
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 9:51 AM Tom Beecher wrote:
> I can say with certainty at least one downlink location is not using
> Google Fiber, as I am
I can say with certainty at least one downlink location is not using Google
Fiber, as I am sitting about 1/2 mile from it , and have firsthand
knowledge of all glass in the ground around here.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 12:14 AM Dave Taht wrote:
> I maintain an email list for issues specific to sta
I maintain an email list for issues specific to starlink here:
https://lists.bufferbloat.net which has multiple experts on it. There
are also quite a few folk on twitter covering what's going on there.
The latest information I had was that they'd started off hooked up to
google's stuff but have be
nt:* Sunday, June 26, 2022 00:34
> *To:* Mike Hammett
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
> *Subject:* Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?
>
>
>
> Mike Hammett wrote on 6/24/2022 1:22 PM:
>
>
> It's DirecTV that became part of AT&T, but now they're separated again
.
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Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 00:34
To: Mike Hammett
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?
Mike Hammett wrote on 6/24/2022 1:22 PM:
It's DirecTV that became part of AT&T, but now they're separated again.
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- Original Message -
From: "Owen DeLong via NANOG"
To: "Michael Thomas"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:14:33 PM
Subject: Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?
On Jun 24, 2022, at 13:12 , Michael Thomas < m...@mtcc.com > wr
> On Jun 24, 2022, at 13:12 , Michael Thomas wrote:
>
>
> On 6/24/22 12:38 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:33 , Michael Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
The term "5G" among technical circles started vague, became better defined
>>
On 6/24/22 12:38 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:33 , Michael Thomas wrote:
On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
The term "5G" among technical circles started vague, became better defined over
the course of several years, and is becoming vague again. This nuance was neve
On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 12:38 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
> Frankly, I really don’t think that Dish’s idea of providing 5G mobile service
> from satellites is a particularly good or beneficial one and granting them
> 12Ghz spectrum for this purpose is probably not really in the public intere
> On Jun 24, 2022, at 3:38 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
>
> It’s not entirely clear, without knowing the technical details of the
> Starlink modulation scheme whether or not they could successfully share the
> 12Ghz spectrum.
>
> I have no reason to disbelieve their claims.
Exactly. W
> On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:33 , Michael Thomas wrote:
>
>
> On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
>> The term "5G" among technical circles started vague, became better defined
>> over the course of several years, and is becoming vague again. This nuance
>> was never well understood in the p
On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
The term "5G" among technical circles started vague, became better defined over
the course of several years, and is becoming vague again. This nuance was never well
understood in the public eye, nor by mass publications like CNN. This is a battle for
1
On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 9:09 AM Chris Wright
wrote:
> This is a battle for 12GHz, not 5G.
It's a battle to use 12Ghz for 5G cell phone tech instead of the
satellite tech it was allocated for. You could drop the 5G from that
sentence and still be correct but nobody has proposed using 4G or
earlier
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?
>
> It appears that Eric Kuhnke said:
> >Adding a terrestrial transmitter source mounted on towers and with CPEs
> >that stomps on the same frequencies as the last 20 years of existing
> >two wa
--Original Message-
From: NANOG On
Behalf Of John Levine
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 9:45 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?
It appears that Eric Kuhnke said:
>Adding a terrestrial transmitter source mounted on towers and with CPEs
>that st
I use Comcast Business for my primary at home, but it is so bad that I was
forced to get Starlink as backup. I am not in a city, but close enough that
there would be issues.
><>
nathan stratton
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 9:47 PM John Levine wrote:
> It appears that Eric Kuhnke said:
> >Adding a
It appears that Eric Kuhnke said:
>Adding a terrestrial transmitter source mounted on towers and with CPEs
>that stomps on the same frequencies as the last 20 years of existing two
>way VSAT terminals throughout the US seems like a bad idea. Even if you
>ignore the existence of Starlink, there's a
Pretty much, with the addition that 10900 MHz to 12700 MHz has for a very
long time been historically reserved for Ku-band one-way and two-way
satellite data services talking to geostationary satellites.
The only thing that SpaceX is doing new here is talking to moving LEO
satellites with their ph
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 3:12 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
> https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/tech/spacex-dish-fcc-spectrum-scn/index.html
The article is super light on technical detail but I think what
they're saying is:
The 12ghz spectrum has been allocated to satellite services which have
very low p
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/tech/spacex-dish-fcc-spectrum-scn/index.html
Mike
Great presentation!
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:16 AM Matthew Petach
wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 07:17 Dorn Hetzel wrote:
>
>> One hopes there is some respectable, perhaps even paranoid, encryption on
>> his control functions.
>>
>>>
> Talk about timely! We just had a very nice presentatio
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 07:17 Dorn Hetzel wrote:
> One hopes there is some respectable, perhaps even paranoid, encryption on
> his control functions.
>
>>
Talk about timely! We just had a very nice presentation about this in
Austin:
https://storage.googleapis.com/site-media-prod/meetings/NANOG84/2
One hopes there is some respectable, perhaps even paranoid, encryption on
his control functions.
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 6:41 PM Mike wrote:
> You guys are missing the obvious. Russia isn't going to attack starlink in
> space, they are going to take over it's command and control functions and
> d
Further!
Here's a page with about 25 dial-up ISPs in Ukraine:
https://isp.today/en/list-of-all-services/UKRAINE,toic-14,c-1
If I go to www.ua.net, as one try, they list dial-up services and
prices:
http://www.ua.net/price/ediup.htm
Looks current.
The point being that dial-up internet is
1. They don't have to wait or hope for a starlink terminal to arrive.
They just have to dig out an old serial modem or system with one built
in (they were common), find a phone line which will support that, and
figure out how to get a dial-up account and use it. Like most of the
world did ~20 ye
On Thu, 2022-03-03 at 01:12 -0500, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> If Ukrainians wanted internet access and to get around blocking it'd
> probably be more effective to dig out old serial modems and get PPP
> dial-up accounts outside the country where phone service that will
> support that still exists.
TBH I doubt Putin et al could care less about a handful of starlinks
in Ukraine.
They're each basically one uplink for one or maybe a few devices in a
country of 44M.
If they did care the easiest/cheapest thing to do would be for the
Russians to sweep neighborhoods for starlink transmission fre
.. is that a challenge? ;-)
Its a high value target. Even the NSA had it's most critical tools
leaked.someone somewhere is going to get a foot in the door at
starlink, it's just a matter of time (money, or both...).
On 3/2/22 5:27 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I'm aware of the qualifications a
Bravo! Data!
Mike
On 3/2/22 5:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I have just completed some very unscientific tests of DIY camouflage
materials vs a starlink terminal.
Obviously there is a lot of possible discussion that is possible about
spectrum analyzers, direction finding, jammers, etc within the
I'm aware of the qualifications and level of knowledge in network
security/cryptography that they hire for positions in Redmond at Starlink
R&D. They are quite picky about who they hire.
Highly doubt that anything that a 3rd party can do from outside of SpaceX's
network is going to gain admin cont
Invade America?… um, not even close to a thing
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2022 12:39 pm
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Starlink terminals deployed in Ukraine
You guys are missing the obvious. Russia isn't going to attack starlink in
space, they are goi
On Wed, 2022-03-02 at 15:39 -0800, Mike wrote:
> You guys are missing the obvious. Russia isn't going to attack
> starlink in space, they are going to take over it's command and
> control functions and deorbit the entire constellation without firing
> a shot.
Gee, sure hope the master password (on
You guys are missing the obvious. Russia isn't going to attack starlink
in space, they are going to take over it's command and control functions
and deorbit the entire constellation without firing a shot. Same for
China and N. Korea, which both already have ample motivation already to
go after
As I'm reading this - I'm reminded that you don't need to destroy a
satellite to render it ineffective - just fill up the frequencies it's
Tx/Rx on with so much RFI that the pipe no longer bends. It's not as if the
frequencies and sat positions aren't public knowledge...
- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas
The Russians have several ASAT systems not all of them are ground based.
Remember they also have that grappler which locks onto satellites and
destroys them. I think this conflict will be the first one where some
of the battles will be fought in orbit ie the ultimate ‘high ground’ the
NATO coun
On 3/2/22 9:32 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 08:51:05 -0500, Dorn Hetzel said:
Yeah, if Russia needs one 1st stage booster for every bird they kill, and
SpaceX needs one 1st stage booster for every 50 they put up Yes,
Russia is bigger than SpaceX, but that's a tremendou
On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 08:51:05 -0500, Dorn Hetzel said:
> Yeah, if Russia needs one 1st stage booster for every bird they kill, and
> SpaceX needs one 1st stage booster for every 50 they put up Yes,
> Russia is bigger than SpaceX, but that's a tremendous ratio.
Plus the asymmetry is even wors
>
> So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
> somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can’t
> do business in the country?
>
There is a difference between a country allowing SpaceX to install a ground
station in their territory, and pro
Yeah, if Russia needs one 1st stage booster for every bird they kill, and
SpaceX needs one 1st stage booster for every 50 they put up Yes,
Russia is bigger than SpaceX, but that's a tremendous ratio.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 6:03 PM Matthew Petach wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:59 AM
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:59 AM Scott McGrath wrote:
> Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite weapons and
> they probably will not hesitate to use them which will make low earth orbit
> a very dangerous place when Russia starts blowing up the Starlink birds.
> I applaud the
On Tue, 2022-03-01 at 15:18 -0500, Tom Beecher wrote:
> > Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite
> > weapons and they probably will not hesitate to use them which will
> > make low earth orbit a very dangerous place when Russia starts
> > blowing up the Starlink birds. I a
On 3/1/22 10:35, Crist Clark wrote:
So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for
free somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if
you can’t do business in the country?
1. Elon can afford it.
2. Marketing value is huge.
--
Jay Hennigan - j...@west.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 10:38 AM Crist Clark wrote:
> So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
> somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can’t
> do business in the country?
>
It's not like Google is billing anyone for using 8.8.8.8 et
On Tue Mar 01, 2022 at 10:35:21AM -0800, Crist Clark wrote:
> So they???re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
> somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can???t
> do business in the country?
Who knows but someone got an imported one running -
knock down a dozen I would suggest and
the retaliation would be significant for such a blatant attack on a NATO
countries assets.
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Scott
McGrath
Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2022 8:57 am
To: Phineas Walton
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Starlink terminals deployed in
>
> Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite weapons and
> they probably will not hesitate to use them which will make low earth orbit
> a very dangerous place when Russia starts blowing up the Starlink birds.
> I applaud the humanitarian aspect of providing Starlink service,
>
Kinda like sending Captain Kirk on a space launch. Amazing marketing!
On 3/1/22 11:41, Phineas Walton wrote:
This is more of a brand image / marketing stunt for Starlink. A pretty
ingenious way to market which will heavily pay off long term. To them,
this is cheap for how much attention it’s g
Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite weapons and
they probably will not hesitate to use them which will make low earth orbit
a very dangerous place when Russia starts blowing up the Starlink birds.
I applaud the humanitarian aspect of providing Starlink service,
unfortunate
This is more of a brand image / marketing stunt for Starlink. A pretty
ingenious way to market which will heavily pay off long term. To them, this
is cheap for how much attention it’s getting them.
Phin
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 6:36 PM Crist Clark wrote:
> So they’re going to offer the service to
So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can’t
do business in the country?
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:39 PM Jay Hennigan wrote:
> On 2/28/22 16:17, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> > As a practical matt
Yes, most starlink is via AS36492. They also have AS27277, though I'm not
sure if that's in active use for consumer traffic.
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 11:58, ic wrote:
> Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
>
> > On 1 Mar 2022, at 05:48, Ong Beng Hui wrote:
Starlink uses Google as their ground provider - Google invested $1bn into
Starlink so it’s no wonder.
Phin
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:58 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
> As Google's ASN?
>
> https://bgp.he.net/AS36492
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:56 AM ic wrote:
>
>> Friends who have Starlink terminals
WISP
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Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
> On 1 M
As Google's ASN?
https://bgp.he.net/AS36492
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:56 AM ic wrote:
> Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
>
> > On 1 Mar 2022, at 05:48, Ong Beng Hui wrote:
> >
> > Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
> >
> > That throw geo de
Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
> On 1 Mar 2022, at 05:48, Ong Beng Hui wrote:
>
> Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
>
> That throw geo detection via IP out right away.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 8:47 AM Dovid Bender wrote:
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> From a quick google search it seems to be 14593.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 11:48 PM Ong Beng Hui wrote:
>>
>> Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
>>
>> That throw geo detection via IP out right away.
One way to avoid geo-detec
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