1+ billion zombie computers source please?
> This method has been proven to be very effective, considering many 100s
of millions of zombie computers exist.
>
> Greetings,
> Jeroen
Joe Greco wrote:
No, really, how bad an idea can it be to have a central database and
a system that's allowed to remotely log in, configure, and update
thousands of Internet-connected CPE? I mean, talk about making an
attractive target.
No argument against the lack of wisdom regarding this c
> On 7/5/12, Joe Greco wrote:
> > It'll get real interesting when Cisco's cloud database is breached and
> > some weakness in the password encryption is discovered.
> [snip]
>
> Will the users' passwords even matter, if a compromise of the
> database allows an intruder to make a system-wide chan
At 00:28 06/07/2012 -0700, goe...@anime.net wrote:
"We take responsibility for that lack of clarity, and we are taking steps
to make this right."
including firing the idiot responsible?
The Nussbacher axiom of management - "Management is like a cesspool - the
really big chunks float to the t
"We take responsibility for that lack of clarity, and we are taking steps
to make this right."
including firing the idiot responsible?
-Dan
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Cameron Byrne wrote:
In Cisco's defense, perhaps the legalese did not fully communicate the
intent of the service.
http://blogs.cis
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
> Routers are sometimes used on networks that don't have internet
> connectivity [by design]. This seems amazingly short-sighted for a company
> that's been around selling routing gear as long as cisco.
>
If the router is not connected to the int
cisco has recanted on the forced cloud etc
randy
In Cisco's defense, perhaps the legalese did not fully communicate the
intent of the service.
http://blogs.cisco.com/home/update-answering-our-customers-questions-about-cisco-connect-cloud-2/
CB
On Jul 5, 2012 8:52 AM, "Mario Eirea" wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forc
On 7/5/12, Joe Greco wrote:
> It'll get real interesting when Cisco's cloud database is breached and
> some weakness in the password encryption is discovered.
[snip]
Will the users' passwords even matter, if a compromise of the
database allows an intruder to make a system-wide change to end user
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > I see.
> >
> > Replace "local access" control with "let anyone on the internet
> reconfigure=
> > the thing". Whoever's idea it was should be p*ssed on, keelhauled,
> drawn =
> > and quartered, then burned at the stake.
>
>
> It'll get real i
> I see.
>
> Replace "local access" control with "let anyone on the internet reconfigure=
> the thing". Whoever's idea it was should be p*ssed on, keelhauled, drawn =
> and quartered, then burned at the stake.
It'll get real interesting when Cisco's cloud database is breached and
some weakne
t; To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: Cisco Update
>
> Technical users could always just flash DD-WRT onto the device and replace
> the Linksys/Cisco firmware; then you have a much more robust system without
> any big brother stuff.
bon.org
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Harlow [mailto:s...@seanharlow.info]
> Sent: Thursday, 05 July, 2012 10:26
> To: Hank Nussbacher
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Cisco Update
>
> On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:08, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>
> > For those
I suspect it'll be "Corporations control Internet and our private
life" well before tomorrow. Domestic operators do that for ages with
their branded routers and AFAIK DOCSIS is unimaginable without (part
of) this functionality. I went berzerk when discovered such a checkbox
in my home router, two d
Looks like they've modified their privacy policy in the last few days,
but from what I understand it was originally pretty bad, including the
collecting users' history and:
[...] right to shut down the users' account if it finds that they have
used the service for “obscene, pornographic, or offens
dd-wrt or openwrt are your friend on those devices. 8)
On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Mario Eirea wrote:
> Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its
> Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers.
>
> http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-use
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > Technical users could always just flash DD-WRT onto the device and =
> > replace the Linksys/Cisco firmware; then you have a much more robust =
> > system without any big brother stuff.
>
> Or Cisco could just omit the big brother stuff.
>
> T
> Technical users could always just flash DD-WRT onto the device and =
> replace the Linksys/Cisco firmware; then you have a much more robust =
> system without any big brother stuff.
Or Cisco could just omit the big brother stuff.
This is not a technological failure. In fact, automatic updates
Keep in mind, that to receive the update, the router has to be connected to
the internet. So routers that are not connected to the internet by design
will be unaffected.
-Grant
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM, David Hubbard <
dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote:
> Technical users could always
Technical users could always just flash DD-WRT onto the device and replace the
Linksys/Cisco firmware; then you have a much more robust system without any big
brother stuff.
In a message written on Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 03:51:40PM +, Mario Eirea
wrote:
> Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its
> Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers.
Perhaps going right to the source would be educational:
http://home.ci
. But this,
as I'm sure many will agree, is not the environment in which they were intended
to be deployed. Nor do I believe are they marketed as such.
- Ed
--Original Message--
From: Jon Lewis
To: Sean Harlow
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Cisco Update
Sent: Jul 5, 2012 12:42 PM
On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:42, Jon Lewis wrote:
> Routers are sometimes used on networks that don't have internet connectivity
> [by design]. This seems amazingly short-sighted for a company that's been
> around selling routing gear as long as cisco.
Not to defend Cisco's idiotic decision, but in t
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Sean Harlow wrote:
On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:24, Joe Greco wrote:
And what happens when your *cough* "router" isn't actually on the
Internet? How can it be managed and upgraded on a regular old network?
If there is no internet connection, you get a very limited page that's
On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:24, Joe Greco wrote:
> And what happens when your *cough* "router" isn't actually on the
> Internet? How can it be managed and upgraded on a regular old network?
If there is no internet connection, you get a very limited page that's
apparently only really good to get you b
On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:08, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
> For those of us who have not kept up with every latest feature that Cisco
> rolls out across all its platforms, can someone explain this new service? Is
> it like Windows update, where Cisco will auto-update your router s/w and
> thereby brick
> At 15:51 05/07/2012 +, Mario Eirea wrote:
> >Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its
> >Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers.
> >
> >http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-users-out-of-their-routers-requires-invasive-cloud-service
At 15:51 05/07/2012 +, Mario Eirea wrote:
Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its
Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers.
http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-users-out-of-their-routers-requires-invasive-cloud-service
-Mario Eire
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