On 2010-05-14 22:04, Alastair Johnson wrote:
Mark Foster wrote:
What about developing nations where Internet isn't yet as commonplace as
it is in the 'west' ?
They skip dialup.
dial modems are the end game for a 140 year old technology (300-3400hz
pots lines).
There is literally no reaso
Mark Foster wrote:
Thus the wider concern I flagged; if the only source for equipment and
spares is the grey market, aren't the vendors missing the boat on
something which shouldn't even have a major overhead to maintain?
There is no sales of new chassis, which means the manufacturing is shut
on people, have terrestrial broadband access"
http://blog.zcorum.com/2010/03/national-broadband-plan-the-debate-begins/.
Frank
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nd access"
http://blog.zcorum.com/2010/03/national-broadband-plan-the-debate-begins/.
Frank
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From: Curtis Maurand [mailto:cmaur...@xyonet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:51 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Dial Concentrators - TNT / APX8000 R.I.P.
30% of all people in
On May 12, 2010, at 12:56 PM, JC Dill wrote:
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>
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Mark Foster wrote:
On Wed, May 12, 2010 4:38 am, Justin Wilson wrote:
There are those ppl who just want to do e-mail, are comfortable with
dial-up, don¹t want to pay for than $5-10 for internet, and can¹t get
anything else.
Indeed. The arguments for alternatives based on the fact they
> I've heard of some LECs starting to mull dropping frame relay as a
> supported service as well...
The provider I work for stopped selling Frame Relay four years ago.
However, we didn't throw out the last Nortel Passport switches until
about one year ago.
Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth..
On Wed, May 12, 2010 4:38 am, Justin Wilson wrote:
> There are those ppl who just want to do e-mail, are comfortable with
> dial-up, don¹t want to pay for than $5-10 for internet, and can¹t get
> anything else.
Indeed. The arguments for alternatives based on the fact theyre cheap,
don't counter t
e: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:32:56 -0400
To: 'Mark Foster' , 'Bill Fehring'
Cc:
Subject: RE: Dial Concentrators - TNT / APX8000 R.I.P.
When I sold my business in January, we still had 4 PRI circuits that were
providing Dial-Up access using Livingston Portmaster 3's. I bet those
When I sold my business in January, we still had 4 PRI circuits that were
providing Dial-Up access using Livingston Portmaster 3's. I bet those things
will run for another 5 years! :)
Dial Up still has a place in many areas where Broadband cannot
cost-effectively reach. Better to have Dial Up than
30% of all people in the US (110 million) have no access to broadband.
Large areas of my state have no access to broadband because its rural
(Maine).
Aastra CVX (it used to be a Nortel product.)
--Curtis
On 5/11/2010 11:29 AM, Joe Abley wrote:
On 2010-05-11, at 11:08, Leo Bicknell wrote:
On 2010-05-11, at 11:08, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> There comes a time when the old tech just doesn't make sense, even
> if a small customer base still wants it.
There will also no doubt continue to be many customers for whom dial is the
only option.
It's not long ago that I lived in such a house,
In a message written on Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:28:42AM -0500, Jerry Bonner
wrote:
> I share a certain amount of love for this platform dating back to Ascend, but
> what am I to do now? Obviously no one is making large investments in their
> dial platform, but are there any other viable alternat
On 5/10/2010 6:36 PM, Mark Foster wrote:
Does this not highlight a wider issue?
I realise that dialup is hardly 'cutting edge' but there are providers out
there with a significant number of dialup customers still on the books.
Surely there's still a market for (what should be by now) a
straightf
On Tue, 11 May 2010, Alastair Johnson wrote:
Welcome to what telcos have been dealing with for 10 to 20 years with product
lifecycles. The PSTN isn't exactly a growing market, and has lots of EOL
switches, yet it continues to run. Secondary support markets, grey markets,
and strategic migrat
On Tue, 11 May 2010, Mark Andrews wrote:
6to4
You don't want 6to4. Even if you provide relay routers the return
traffic is problematic. 6to4 also requires public IPv4 addresses
and you will eventually want to share these between your customers.
Providing 6to4 for dialup users is an adequat
In message <201005110413.o4b4disn031...@drugs.dv.isc.org>, Mark Andrews writes:
> > > How are ISPs that still offer dialup going to handle dialup and IPv6? I
> > > know the TNTs don't do it, and I don't think most of the old equipment
> > > in use in many places does.
> >
> > 6to4
>
> You don't
In message , Antonio
Querubin writes:
> On Mon, 10 May 2010, Chris Adams wrote:
>
> > How are ISPs that still offer dialup going to handle dialup and IPv6? I
> > know the TNTs don't do it, and I don't think most of the old equipment
> > in use in many places does.
>
> 6to4
You don't want 6to4
Chris Adams wrote:
How are ISPs that still offer dialup going to handle dialup and IPv6? I
know the TNTs don't do it, and I don't think most of the old equipment
in use in many places does.
Most likely the customers still on dialup are not going to worry about
IPv6 - if their systems even su
Mark Foster wrote:
Does this not highlight a wider issue?
I realise that dialup is hardly 'cutting edge' but there are providers out
there with a significant number of dialup customers still on the books.
Surely there's still a market for (what should be by now) a
straightforward, well known pie
On Mon, 10 May 2010, Chris Adams wrote:
How are ISPs that still offer dialup going to handle dialup and IPv6? I
know the TNTs don't do it, and I don't think most of the old equipment
in use in many places does.
6to4
Antonio Querubin
808-545-5282 x3003
e-mail/xmpp: t...@lava.net
On Mon, 10 May 2010, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Justin M. Streiner said:
I have a small handful of AS5300s still floating around for that handful
of users who can't (or won't) ditch dialup. Luckily that number is small
enough that I can replace any failed parts with parts from other
In message <20100511002909.ga1109...@hiwaay.net>, Chris Adams writes:
> How are ISPs that still offer dialup going to handle dialup and IPv6? I
> know the TNTs don't do it, and I don't think most of the old equipment
> in use in many places does.
Just tunnel IPv6 over IPv4 and run a tunnel broke
Once upon a time, Justin M. Streiner said:
> I have a small handful of AS5300s still floating around for that handful
> of users who can't (or won't) ditch dialup. Luckily that number is small
> enough that I can replace any failed parts with parts from other chassis,
> since the ones I have w
Does this not highlight a wider issue?
I realise that dialup is hardly 'cutting edge' but there are providers out
there with a significant number of dialup customers still on the books.
Surely there's still a market for (what should be by now) a
straightforward, well known piece of kit?
In parts
On May 10, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Jerry Bonner wrote:
> Obviously no one is making large investments in their dial platform, but are
> there any other viable alternatives out there that are actually supported?
The current 'still works, has features, etc' box is as5400xm, and is terming
most of a f
On Mon, 10 May 2010, Jerry Bonner wrote:
I'm told by our Alcatel rep that the APX 8000 is no longer supported
and that we can no longer get hardware support because they "don't have
any spare parts".
I share a certain amount of love for this platform dating back to
Ascend, but what am I to d
I don't think that you can buy new support contracts for the AS5800 series
anymore.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iad/ps509/ps512/end_of_life_notice_c51-463159.html
-Bill
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 09:50, Scott Berkman wrote:
> I think the only one under support may be the Cisco AS s
I think the only one under support may be the Cisco AS series (AS5800 only
now?):
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/univgate/ps509/
The other platform I knew besides the TNT was the Nortel CVX but it is EOL
also.
-Scott
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