Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread -Hammer-
35.5612 ekim.it...@gmail.com (UTC-8) On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: -Original Message- From: -Hammer- [mailto:bhmc...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 October 2011 17:10 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affecte

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Valdis Kletnieks" > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:47:13 PDT, "andrew.wallace" said: > > Guys the outage has moved to U.S and Canada, I think we need to look > > at this perhaps being sabotage. > > It ain't sabotage till you rule out "misconfigured router". > > And

RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Mechanicsburg PA 17055 -Original Message- From: -Hammer- [mailto:bhmc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:52 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.) What kills me is what they have told the public. The

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Mike Gatti
0 >> To: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, >> Egypt affected (not N.A.) >> >> I have been witness to N+1 HUMAN failures but never a N+1 hardware >> failure or system/design failure that warranted questioning the

RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Leigh Porter
> -Original Message- > From: -Hammer- [mailto:bhmc...@gmail.com] > Sent: 12 October 2011 17:10 > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, > Egypt affected (not N.A.) > > I have been witness to N+1 HUMAN failures

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread -Hammer-
I have been witness to N+1 HUMAN failures but never a N+1 hardware failure or system/design failure that warranted questioning the need for N+2. Usually your N+1 failure is (as already referenced) pasting in a bad config that gets replicated or something like that. Not saying the hardware is pe

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Chris Campbell
I think it raises serious questions about RIM's DR strategy if a DB corruption or switch failure or whatever can cause this much outage. 'Surely' RIM have an second site that is independent of the primary (within reason) that they could of flipped to when they realised the DB was borked. If not

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Tayeb Meftah
Idiotberry Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 12 oct. 2011 à 17:55, Charles Mills a écrit : > +1 > On Oct 12, 2011 11:51 AM, wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:52:02 CDT, -Hammer- said: >>> What kills me is what they have told the public. The lost a "core >>> switch". I don't know if they actually mean

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Charles Mills
+1 On Oct 12, 2011 11:51 AM, wrote: > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:52:02 CDT, -Hammer- said: > > What kills me is what they have told the public. The lost a "core > > switch". I don't know if they actually mean network switch or not but > > I'm pretty sure any of us that work on an enterprise environme

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:52:02 CDT, -Hammer- said: > What kills me is what they have told the public. The lost a "core > switch". I don't know if they actually mean network switch or not but > I'm pretty sure any of us that work on an enterprise environment know > how to factor N+1 just for these

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:47:13 PDT, "andrew.wallace" said: > Guys the outage has moved to U.S and Canada, I think we need to look at this > perhaps being sabotage. It ain't sabotage till you rule out "misconfigured router". Consider the actual real-world threat models and their likelyhoods: 1) In

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Joel jaeggli
1 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt > affected (not N.A.) > > > And continues: > “RIM'S SERVICE OUTAGE CONTINUES INTO DAY 2” > http://www.channelstv.com/global/news_details.php?nid=29652&cat=Politics > > Fra

RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Paul Stewart
: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.) Guys the outage has moved to U.S and Canada, I think we need to look at this perhaps being sabotage. http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20119163-266/blackberry-service-issues-spread-to-u.s-and-canada/ Andrew

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Andrew Mulholland
gt; > From: Frank Bulk > To: outa...@outages.org > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt > affected (not N.A.) > > > And continues: > “RIM'S SERVICE OUTAGE CONTINU

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread -Hammer-
6_3-20119163-266/blackberry-service-issues-spread-to-u.s-and-canada/ Andrew From: Frank Bulk To: outa...@outages.org Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.) A

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread andrew.wallace
: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.) And continues: “RIM'S SERVICE OUTAGE CONTINUES INTO DAY 2” http://www.channelstv.com/global/news_details.php?nid=29652&cat=Politics   Frank   From:andre

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-21 Thread Randy Bush
>>> I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much >>> effect >> what shutdown of egyptian domain names? >> randy, who has a server which serves them > there's an interesting point to be made about the geographic > administrative and political distribution of secondaries being >

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 2/16/11 5:37 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much >> effect > > what shutdown of egyptian domain names? > > randy, who has a server which serves them there's an interesting point to be made about the geographic administrative and political

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Michael Dillon
> No the BGP and the physical links were down. What about non-Internet layer 2 links? A number of companies have private IP networks extending into Egypt providing MPLS or other VPN services. In addition, there are often longlines into the Gulf states to provide the Egyptian sites with redunda

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - > From: "Randy Bush" > To: "Fred Baker" > Cc: "Franck Martin" , "North American Network Operators > Group" > Sent: Thursday, 17 February, 2011 2:37:02 PM > Subject: Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egy

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Randy Bush
> I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much > effect what shutdown of egyptian domain names? randy, who has a server which serves them

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Mounir Mohamed
Yes all sessions were operational during that period. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:17 AM, Martin Millnert wrote: > Mounir, > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Mounir Mohamed > wrote: > > No the BGP and the physical links were down. > > did you have any domestic BGP sessions up? > > Regards, > Mar

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Millnert
Mounir, On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Mounir Mohamed wrote: > No the BGP and the physical links were down. did you have any domestic BGP sessions up? Regards, Martin

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Mounir Mohamed
ained lit? > > --Richard > > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Marshall Eubanks > wrote: > > > > On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > > > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/technology/16internet.html > >> > >> There has been in

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Fred Baker
>> withdrawal of BGP prefixes. > > Per the NYT article, the issue was the Egyptian "Intranet" -- people couldn't > contact other sites within Egypt by host name, even though the routes were > up, because they couldn't resolve .eg, .com, etc. > > --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb > > > > >

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Steve Gibbard
>> withdrawal of BGP prefixes. > > Per the NYT article, the issue was the Egyptian "Intranet" -- people couldn't > contact other sites within Egypt by host name, even though the routes were > up, because they couldn't resolve .eg, .com, etc. This is interes

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
ticle, the issue was the Egyptian "Intranet" -- people couldn't contact other sites within Egypt by host name, even though the routes were up, because they couldn't resolve .eg, .com, etc. i'll have to check if the .eg servers were ever taken off-line. resolution of .c

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Steven Bellovin
Egyptian "Intranet" -- people couldn't contact other sites within Egypt by host name, even though the routes were up, because they couldn't resolve .eg, .com, etc. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Richard Barnes
Never mind, Messrs. Cowie and Baker answered my question: <http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2011-February/033181.html> Couldn't have paths through Egypt if layer 2 were cut off. (Right?) --Richard On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: > It also seems l

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Richard Barnes
MacFie wrote: > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/technology/16internet.html >> >> There has been intense debate both inside and outside Egypt on whether the >>> cutoff at 26 Ramses Street was accomplished by surgically tampering with the >>> software mechanism

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 2/16/11 4:25 PM, Fred Baker wrote: I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much effect ... ditto. i'm not aware of any actions by the .eg registry operator, though i'll ask, coincidental to the prefix withdrawal. i suppose in the interests of completeness i should al

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Fred Baker
I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much effect; that's why the bgp prefixes were withdrawn. What was effective was the withdrawal of BGP prefixes. http://www.renesys.com/blog/2011/01/egypt-leaves-the-internet.shtml notes, for example, that routes *through*

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/16/2011 11:50, Franck Martin wrote: - Original Message - From: "Martin Millnert" To: "Marshall Eubanks" Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" Sent: Thursday, 17 February, 2011 8:28:22 AM Subject: Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Swit

Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - > From: "Martin Millnert" > To: "Marshall Eubanks" > Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" > Sent: Thursday, 17 February, 2011 8:28:22 AM > Subject: Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Interne

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Millnert
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/technology/16internet.html >> >> There has been intense debate both inside and outside Egypt on whether the >>

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/technology/16internet.html > > There has been intense debate both inside and outside Egypt on whether the >> cutoff at 26 Ramses Street was accomplished by surgically tampering with the >&g

NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-15 Thread Joly MacFie
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/technology/16internet.html There has been intense debate both inside and outside Egypt on whether the > cutoff at 26 Ramses Street was accomplished by surgically tampering with the > software mechanism that defines how networks at the core of the In

Re: Egypt 'hijacked Vodafone network'

2011-02-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
am a consultant to the Egyptian President. I am contacting you for a possible business deal based on the present political crisis in Egypt. The conglomerate of Mobarak is ready to partner with you to help secure the resources of the president since the office of the presidency has been dissolved."

Re: Egypt 'hijacked Vodafone network'

2011-02-03 Thread Mike Lyon
nd-user or if they > were being sent as a service announcement from Vodafone. > >> > >> Certainly, if the government were sending the messages under the company > name then something sounds wrong about that. > >> > >> What I would like is to hear from someo

Re: Egypt 'hijacked Vodafone network'

2011-02-03 Thread andrew.wallace
nt were sending the messages under the company >> name then something sounds wrong about that. >> >> What I would like is to hear from someone who received the messages and what >> their experiences were. >> > > They were described to me as being "from

Re: Egypt 'hijacked Vodafone network'

2011-02-03 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, andrew.wallace wrote: > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Scott Brim wrote: >> On 02/03/2011 10:14 EST, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:24 AM, andrew.wallace wrote: >>> Mobile phone firm Vodafone accuses the Egyptian authorities of using

Re: Egypt 'hijacked Vodafone network'

2011-02-03 Thread andrew.wallace
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Scott Brim wrote: > On 02/03/2011 10:14 EST, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> >> On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:24 AM, andrew.wallace wrote: >> >>> Mobile phone firm Vodafone accuses the Egyptian authorities of >>> using its network to send pro-government text messages. >>> >>> htt

Re: Egypt 'hijacked Vodafone network'

2011-02-03 Thread Scott Brim
On 02/03/2011 10:14 EST, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:24 AM, andrew.wallace wrote: > >> Mobile phone firm Vodafone accuses the Egyptian authorities of >> using its network to send pro-government text messages. >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12357694 > > Here is the

Re: Egypt 'hijacked Vodafone network'

2011-02-03 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:24 AM, andrew.wallace wrote: > Mobile phone firm Vodafone accuses the Egyptian authorities of using its > network to send pro-government text messages. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12357694 Here is their PR http://www.vodafone.com/content/index/press.html Note

Egypt: direct economic cost estimated at $18m/day

2011-02-03 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
This is from a 3% to 4% estimate of telecomms and datacomms in the overall Egyptian economy. The OEDC communique notes that attracting foreign investment may now be more difficult. (Is there anyone not looking at regional alternatives?) Source: http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2011

Egypt

2011-02-02 Thread JDuffy
Hi again from Network World... We're now looking into a story on how Egypt may have restored service -- did they bring up all routes at once? Stagger the re-introduction of routes so as not to overwhelm routers? Any specific ISPs brought up before others and why? ie, Noor and the

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-02-02 Thread Craig Labovitz
Good to see the traffic back. Graphs visualizing return of Egyptian traffic volumes below. Week view: http://www.monkey.org/~labovit/egypt_back_week.png Today: http://www.monkey.org/~labovit/egypt_returns.png - Craig Craig Labovitz | Chief Scientist, Arbor Ne

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-02-02 Thread Marshall Eubanks
been withdrawn. Even the Egyptian stock > >> exchange - egyptse.com - now appears to be off the Internet. > > > > I have been told that the Egyptian Prime Minister has publicly announced > > that the Internet would be restored soon, but at present neither my > >

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-02-02 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 12:30:45PM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote a message of 10 lines which said: > EUN (the academic network, which includes the primary name server for > .EG) is still unreachable (1130 UTC). It works now (1137 UTC). BGP was a bit slow.

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-02-02 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 06:23:39AM -0500, Jim Cowie wrote a message of 29 lines which said: > Yes, confirmed from 09:29 UTC. Basically all major providers are > back, full status quo ante (modulo reagg), major sites are up. EUN (the academic network, which includes the primary name server fo

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-02-02 Thread Jim Cowie
com - now appears to be off the Internet. > > > > I have been told that the Egyptian Prime Minister has publicly announced > that the Internet would be restored soon, but at present neither my > > Looks like it's coming back: http://stat.ripe.net/egypt > > ~2500 prefix

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-02-02 Thread Teo Ruiz
n told that the Egyptian Prime Minister has publicly announced that > the Internet would be restored soon, but at present neither my Looks like it's coming back: http://stat.ripe.net/egypt ~2500 prefixes being announced now. -- teo - http://www.teoruiz.com "Res publica non dominetur"

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-02-01 Thread Marshall Eubanks
net would be restored soon, but at present neither my monitoring nor http://stat.ripe.net/egypt/ confirms this. Regards Marshall > DNS for egyptse.com also appears to be down, but Noor.net is definitely > withdrawn : > > dig www.noor.net > > ; <<>> DiG 9.6.0

RE: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-31 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
> Here's an updated list: > http://www.bgpmon.net/egypt-routes-jan31-2011.txt Some decent opportunities for route aggregation in that list...

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-31 Thread Andree Toonk
Hi Danny, .-- My secret spy satellite informs me that at 11-01-31 2:41 PM Danny O'Brien wrote: Does anyone has a list of routes that are still up, and seem to correlate with Egyptian locations? Andree's last list is here: http://bgpmon.net/egypt-routes-jan29-2011.txt Here&#x

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-31 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: > Hi, > > We did some analysis of the situation in Egypt using the RIPEstat toolbox > (please note, this is a prototype and we're not sure how it will handle a big > load): > > http://labs.

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-31 Thread Marshall Eubanks
>> > Yep, Noor is now down. Collateral damage from all of this, as detailed in http://blog.icann.org/2011/01/status-report-on-the-dns-in-egypt/ is that the Arabic script top-level domain .masr (مصر) has been unavailable since the 27th, since it is is operated by NTRA of Egypt. Regards Ma

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-31 Thread Rob Thomas
Hi, Danny. > Does anyone has a list of routes that are still up, and seem to correlate > with Egyptian locations? Andree's last list is here: > http://bgpmon.net/egypt-routes-jan29-2011.txt We see the following ASNs presently: ASN CC AS Name 6762| IT | SEABO

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-31 Thread Danny O'Brien
r front line support, and they're saying "technical problems" that will take a few hours to fix. Does anyone has a list of routes that are still up, and seem to correlate with Egyptian locations? Andree's last list is here: http://bgpmon.net/egypt-routes-jan29-2011.txt I'

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-31 Thread Marshall Eubanks
-- Original Message - > From: "Joe Abley" > To: "Marshall Eubanks" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Saturday, 29 January, 2011 7:32:07 AM > Subject: Re: Connectivity status for Egypt > > > On 2011-01-28, at 11:33, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >>

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-30 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - > From: "Benson Schliesser" > To: "andrew.wallace" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Saturday, 29 January, 2011 2:47:42 PM > Subject: Re: Connectivity status for Egypt > On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:44 PM, andrew.wallace wrote: >

Re: [menog] Fwd: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-29 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
Here is the analysis of BGP table regarding what happened to the Internet in Egypt: http://stat.ripe.net/egypt/ https://labs.ripe.net/Members/akvadrako/live_eqyptian_internet_incident_analysis Cidr report (http://www.cidr-report.org) shows this also very well: Recent Table History

Re: [menog] Fwd: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-29 Thread Vesna Manojlovic
Dear all, On 1/28/11 1:07 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: Hey all, Some NANOG participants are seeing hearing reports of disrupted communications in Egypt. Are any of you seeing the same thing? --Richard Here is the analysis of BGP table regarding what happened to the Internet in Egypt: http

Fwd: [listname] Fwd: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-29 Thread Owen DeLong
andlines are down (at least internationally). > 4. Mobile networks seem to be on and off depending on location. For example, > Vodafone is apparently working in Cairo while other networks are not !! > > God help them and bring Egypt and Egyptians out of this harmless inshallah. > Regards.. Owen

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:44 PM, andrew.wallace wrote: > We should be asking the Egyptians to stagger the return of services so that > infrastructure isn't affected, when connectivity is deemed to be allowed to > come back online. > > Andrew Wallace > > --- > > British IT Security Consultant Y

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:32 PM, jim deleskie wrote: > iMCI or WCOM? :) w (technically the folks that engineered it were mci folk... from texas. > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Christopher Morrow > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Alastair Johnson wrote: >> >> > For instance, o

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread jim deleskie
iMCI or WCOM? :) On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Alastair Johnson wrote: > > > For instance, our corporate WAN links into Cairo are still up (UUNET > PIP). > > that's the MCI PIP... > >

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 02:07:51PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: > On 1/28/11, andrew.wallace wrote: > > We should be asking the Egyptians to stagger the return of services so that > > infrastructure isn't affected, when connectivity is deemed to be allowed to > > come back online. > > Well, yeah, i

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Bill Stewart
On 1/28/11, andrew.wallace wrote: > We should be asking the Egyptians to stagger the return of services so that > infrastructure isn't affected, when connectivity is deemed to be allowed to > come back online. Well, yeah, it has to be done carefully, otherwise the first guy to turn on an E1 line

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Stefan
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:44 PM, andrew.wallace wrote: > We should be asking the Egyptians to stagger the return of services so that > infrastructure isn't affected, when connectivity is deemed to be allowed to > come back online. > > Andrew Wallace > > --- > > British IT Security Consultant ht

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread andrew.wallace
We should be asking the Egyptians to stagger the return of services so that infrastructure isn't affected, when connectivity is deemed to be allowed to come back online. Andrew Wallace --- British IT Security Consultant

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On Friday 28 January 2011 21:22:55 Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Christopher Morrow > > wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Alastair Johnson wrote: > >> For instance, our corporate WAN links into Cairo are still up (UUNET > >> PIP). > > > > that's the MCI

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Franck Martin
hours, otherwise Fiji would have gone dark for days... - Original Message - From: "Joe Abley" To: "Marshall Eubanks" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, 29 January, 2011 7:32:07 AM Subject: Re: Connectivity status for Egypt On 2011-01-28, at 11:33, Marshall Eubanks wrote:

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Larry Stites
gt;>> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 12:07 PM >>> To: Patrick W. Gilmore >>> Cc: NANOG list >>> Subject: Re: Connectivity status for Egypt >>> >>> On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 11:27 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: >>> >>>> I think it do

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Alastair Johnson wrote: > >> For instance, our corporate WAN links into Cairo are still up (UUNET PIP). > > that's the MCI PIP... probably the .EG parts of that PIP are provided on a partner network st

RE: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread George Bonser
I have also seen reports that Syria has severed their Internet access, as well: http://af.reuters.com/article/tunisiaNews/idAFLDE70P18Y20110126 http://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/31002490816167936 Can anyone confirm that?

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:36:30 PST, George Bonser said: > I think it would be pretty hard to actually cut off communications when the > telephone system is still working. You can move a lot of email by dialup UUCP > if you wanted to. Sure, just pop onto amazon.com and order a modem... oh, wait. (

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Alastair Johnson wrote: > For instance, our corporate WAN links into Cairo are still up (UUNET PIP). that's the MCI PIP...

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Charles N Wyble
011 12:07 PM >>> To: Patrick W. Gilmore >>> Cc: NANOG list >>> Subject: Re: Connectivity status for Egypt >>> >>> On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 11:27 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: >>>> I think it does not matter. Censorship is censorship. (So much

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Alastair Johnson
On 1/28/2011 1:02 PM, Alexander Harrowell wrote: I wonder if anyone's working on a mesh or p-t-p radio app that runs on a smartphone? Yes - came across http://www.servalproject.org/ from the linux.conf.au program.

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On Friday 28 January 2011 20:36:30 George Bonser wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Jake Khuon [mailto:kh...@neebu.net] > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 12:07 PM > > To: Patrick W. Gilmore > > Cc: NANOG list > > Subject: Re: Connectivity status f

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Joseph Prasad
Here is a blog by Al Jazeera on what is happening in Egypt. Look at the time stamp of 7:46. Kill-Switch is alive and well. Coming to America soon? http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/01/28/liveblog-egypts-protests-erupt . ** *The only power people exert

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Charles N Wyble
>> Subject: Re: Connectivity status for Egypt >> >> On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 11:27 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: >> >>> I think it does not matter. Censorship is censorship. (So much for >> "routing around it".) >> > > > I think it w

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Alastair Johnson
On 1/28/2011 8:17 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: out of curiousity, what's the difference though between loss of light and peer shutdown? If the local gov't comes in and says: "Make the internets go down", you as the op choose how to do that... NOT getting calls from your peer for interface alarms

RE: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Jake Khuon [mailto:kh...@neebu.net] > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 12:07 PM > To: Patrick W. Gilmore > Cc: NANOG list > Subject: Re: Connectivity status for Egypt > > On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 11:27 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: &g

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Jake Khuon
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 11:27 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > I think it does not matter. Censorship is censorship. (So much for "routing > around it".) Obviously for the effected, the effects are the same. |8^) However, I'm interested in knowing about the level of fine control that the Egyp

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 2011-01-28, at 11:33, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > >> I have seen nation state disconnects where light is lost. > > I believe that was the case for Burma, for example. It was not the case in Nepal in 2005 though, if I remember correctly. In th

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Jared Mauch
Jim, On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:43 PM, wrote: > And would you comply with it if it indeed became law? For better or worse, companies will comply with lawful requests. In the event of US Civil Unrest, I think it would be much harder than in other regimes to exert this type of control, and would c

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread JDuffy
pting your operations in Egypt, Northern Africa and/or the Middle East? Have you noticed any resumption of service since the outage went into effect on Thursday, Jan. 27? Also, a bill was introduced recently in Congress proposing an Internet "kill switch" to be used, apparently, in resp

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Jeff Johnstone
n Canada this morning... http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2011/01/28/egypt-protests.html Internet, data services cut Internet and cellphone data service was unavailable throughout the country, making it impossible for news of the protests to be broadcast via social networking sites like Facebook and

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:17:58 EST, Christopher Morrow said: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Jake Khuon wrote: > > > I guess this begs the question of whether or not we're seeing actual > > layer1 going down or just the effects of mass BGP withdrawals. Are we > > seeing lights out on fibre links

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Jorge Amodio
Does anybody knows what is the situation with local traffic, are people able to communicate within the country, are there any local servers/services that are being blocked/etc. ? -J

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > I have seen nation state disconnects where light is lost. I believe that was the case for Burma, for example. Marshall > > > Jared Mauch > > On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:44 AM

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > I have seen nation state disconnects where light is lost. The question is not whether that would it (it obviously would). The question is whether it is important if the laser stops blinking or just blinks in ways that end users can't see all

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Jared Mauch
I have seen nation state disconnects where light is lost. Jared Mauch On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Jake Khuon wrote: > >> I guess this begs the question of whether or not we're seeing actual >> layer1 going down or just the effec

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Jake Khuon wrote: > I guess this begs the question of whether or not we're seeing actual > layer1 going down or just the effects of mass BGP withdrawals.  Are we > seeing lights out on fibre links or just peering sessions going down? > Both could still point to a

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jan 28, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Jan 28, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Patrik Wallström wrote: >> On Jan 28, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> >>> Al Arabiya is reporting (via twitter) that the Internet has been shut of in >>> Syria (where I have not heard of reports

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jan 28, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Patrik Wallström wrote: > On Jan 28, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >> Al Arabiya is reporting (via twitter) that the Internet has been shut of in >> Syria (where I have not heard of reports of protests). >> >> I have no confirmation of this as yet. >

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 28/01/2011 15:15, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Al Arabiya is reporting (via twitter) that the Internet has been shut of in Syria (where I have not heard of reports of protests). I have no confirmation of this as yet. AS29386 (Syrian Telecommunication Establishment) appears to be up at this time

Re: Connectivity status for Egypt

2011-01-28 Thread Patrik Wallström
On Jan 28, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Al Arabiya is reporting (via twitter) that the Internet has been shut of in > Syria (where I have not heard of reports of protests). > > I have no confirmation of this as yet. I have seen no evidence if this. Can still reach services withi

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