Re: CRS-3

2010-03-19 Thread jim deleskie
---BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> > >> > Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost?  Or >> > how much power it would consume?  Or how much heat it would generate? >> > >> >> Admittedly, my information on these topics comes from NPR

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-19 Thread Steve Meuse
Paul Ferguson expunged (fergdawgs...@gmail.com): > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > > Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or > > how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate? > > > > Admittedly, my

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-10 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Bob Snyder wrote: Linecards are interesting. We get a 100Gb card, we get a linerate 14-port 10Gb card, but apparently there's still only a single port OC-768 40Gb card. There has been claims that volume for OC-768 is low so no major effort has been seen to reduce OC-768

Res: CRS-3 x T1600

2010-03-10 Thread GIULIANO (UOL)
JUNIPER Networks did a press note about the new T-1600 components: http://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/press-center/press-releases/2010/pr_2010_02_04-08_30.html And now CISCO with the new components for the CRS-1 ... to increase it to "new" CRS-3. T1600 - 250 Gbps full duplex /

CRS-3 x T1600

2010-03-10 Thread GIULIANO (UOL)
JUNIPER Networks did a press note about the new T-1600 components: http://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/press-center/press-releases/2010/pr_2010_02_04-08_30.html And now CISCO with the new components for the CRS-1 ... to increase it to "new" CRS-3. Both companies looks like want to re

RE: CRS-3

2010-03-10 Thread Huizinga, Rene
Cisco and linerate...if it would be a Juniper I could say OK, on a Cisco, first see then believe. Also, seeing CRS-1's, is the '3' in CRS-3 the multiplier or magnitude of problems to be expected compared to its 'little' buggy sister.. ? :) -Original Mess

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-10 Thread Bob Snyder
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Gregory Hicks wrote: > The press release at > http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html states that the > pricing for the CRS-3 STARTS AT $90K... Is that the cost for a nameplate you can stick on an empty rack with dark glass so you can fo

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Gregory Hicks
> Subject: Re: CRS-3 > From: David Conrad > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:06:39 -0800 > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > >> Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? > > Admittedly, my information on these top

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, David Conrad wrote: Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate? Power is fairly easy, you need somewhere in the order of 14kW per rack (at least you need to provision that

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread David Conrad
On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: >> Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? > Admittedly, my information on these topics comes from NPR these days. :-) > > They said it costs ~US$90k, and that AT&T was in trails. Somehow, I'

RE: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Arjan van der Oest
al Message- From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net] Sent: Tue 3/9/2010 11:02 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: CRS-3 On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > >> The only "wow" here is "wow, w

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Paul Ferguson
or translate the > marketspeak. > > Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or > how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate? > > Or perhaps more interestingly, given the way things seem to be going, how > many (tens of?) mi

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread David Conrad
On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Crooks, Sam wrote: > "Spend the GDP of a small nation on a single box!" I'll admit to being too lazy to dig through and/or translate the marketspeak. Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or how much power it would con

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Robert Enger - NANOG
On 3/9/2010 9:19 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Brian Feeny wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Mark
I fail to see how using linksys's range of products is going to be comparable to enterprise grade cisco gear. Well, your average consumer wouldn't be involved with a CRS or for that matter, anything that remotely resembles a CRS. Not sure why you'd pull the consumer market into this marketing

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Brian Feeny wrote: > > So who is going to be the first to deploy these? > > http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html > > > - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second > - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minu

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Matthew Petach wrote: /me sits back patiently and waits for CRS-5, then...[1] CRS-3 is ~3 times as fast as CRS-1, so I guess the next iteration will be CRS-12 and then CRS-36, CRS-108 (perhaps CRS-100 just to make it easy). :P -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm

RE: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Crooks, Sam
"Spend the GDP of a small nation on a single box!" > -Original Message- > From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:51 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org list > Subject: CRS-3 > > > So who is going to be the first to deploy the

RE: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Tim Durack > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:39 PM > To: Brian Feeny > > Subject: Re: CRS-3 > > "This intelligence also includes carrier-grade IPv6 (CGv6)" > > Can't wait to find out what this is. "accel

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Bruce Williams
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Express Web Systems wrote: >> Wow what? >> >> Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_? >> >> If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps per > slot, >> and pre-relea

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Jake Khuon
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 18:45 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any errors. > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 17:31, Jake Khuon wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:02 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > >> On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: > >>> On Tue, 2010-03-0

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Bruce Williams
> It's called doing the "wall street dance". Their stock price jumped 3% > yesterday in anticipation of the "big" announcement. Hype is hype, and > people still remember the magic of the dotcom bubble. "ZOMG! They increased > the size of the tubez! BUY! BUY!" > > [full disclosure: I own stock in Ci

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any errors. On Mar 9, 2010, at 17:31, Jake Khuon wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:02 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: The only "wow" here is "wow, why

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Joel Esler
No one ever got fired for buying Cisco? (This isn't true btw -- I know of people that did get fired for buying Cisco. Just saying...) J On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > >> The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisc

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Jake Khuon
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:02 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > > >> The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they > >> are?" > > > > Because in some organisatio

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Matthew Petach
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 20:22 +, deles...@gmail.com wrote: >> What happened to CRS-2? :) > > It exploded and was destroyed during construction.  Parts of it were > also recycled to build the next CRS. |8^) /me sits back patiently and waits fo

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Cian Brennan
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 05:02:01PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > > >> The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they > >> are?" > > > > Because in some orga

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Scott Morris
It only supported IPv5. :) Scott [1]deles...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to CRS-2? :) --Original Message-- From: Robert Enger - NANOG To: David Hubbard Cc: [2]na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: CRS-3 Sent: Mar 9, 2010 4:20 PM Forget Linksys: Didn't Peter Lothberg's

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > >> The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they >> are?" > > Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco. Then why bother hyping at all?

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Dirk-Jan van Helmond
It's teh future of the tubes! Didn't you get the memo? Nah, actually it is just hardware assisted SP-wide NAT... See: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6553/white_paper_c11-558744-00_ns1017_Networking_Solutions_White_Paper.html Cisco believes that this is the (intermed

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Joachim Tingvold
On 9. mars 2010, at 22.39, Tim Durack wrote: > "This intelligence also includes carrier-grade IPv6 (CGv6)" > > Can't wait to find out what this is. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6553/white_paper_c11-558744-00_ns1017_Networking_Solutions_White_Paper.html -- Joachim

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Philip Davis
On 3/9/2010 4:39 PM, Tim Durack wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Brian Feeny wrote: >> >> So who is going to be the first to deploy these? >> >> http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html >> >> >> - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second >> - Stream every m

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Tim Durack
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Brian Feeny wrote: > > So who is going to be the first to deploy these? > > http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html > > > - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second > - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minu

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Brian Feeny
Yes, and their stock price dipped today after the news release actually hit. So remember people, buy on rumor, sell on news. Brian On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Express Web Systems wrote: >> Wow what? >> >> Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping

RE: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Arjan van der Oest
Renaming the 6500? Nice one, let's call it 7600 then :-) Arjan -Original Message- From: bas [mailto:kilo...@gmail.com] Sent: Tue 3/9/2010 9:33 PM To: Brian Feeny Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: CRS-3 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Brian Feeny wrote > If nothing else y

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Jake Khuon
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 20:22 +, deles...@gmail.com wrote: > What happened to CRS-2? :) It exploded and was destroyed during construction. Parts of it were also recycled to build the next CRS. |8^) -- /*=[ Jake Khuon ]=+ | Packet Plumber, Network Engineers

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Jake Khuon
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they > are?" Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco. -- /*=[ Jake Khuon ]=+ | Packet Plumber, Network En

RE: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Express Web Systems
> Wow what? > > Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_? > > If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps per slot, > and pre-release equipment is in use in some networks already. > > The only "wow" here i

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Mark Smith
ubbard > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: CRS-3 > Sent: Mar 9, 2010 4:20 PM > > > Forget Linksys: Didn't Peter Lothberg's mom have a CRS1 in her basement > already? :-) > > She said it was great for drying her clothes. > If she gets the CRS-3, will she

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread bas
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Brian Feeny wrote > If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! Indeed Cisco marketing machine. Nothing new to CRS-1, just new linecards and route-processor. It would be like giving the CAT6500 a new name back when the SUP720/DCEF cards came out.

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Mark Smith
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:51:28 -0500 Brian Feeny wrote: > > So who is going to be the first to deploy these? > > http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html > > > - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second Is that about 11 giggitybits per second? > - Stream every

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Brandon Kim wrote: > LOL! Wow that is a pretty sad comment.. > > But back to the CRS-3, just wow!!! Wow what? Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_? If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps

RE: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Brandon Kim
LOL! Wow that is a pretty sad comment.. But back to the CRS-3, just wow!!! > Subject: RE: CRS-3 > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:54:16 -0500 > From: dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com > To: nanog@nanog.org > > From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] > > > > So w

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread deleskie
What happened to CRS-2? :) --Original Message-- From: Robert Enger - NANOG To: David Hubbard Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CRS-3 Sent: Mar 9, 2010 4:20 PM Forget Linksys: Didn't Peter Lothberg's mom have a CRS1 in her basement already? :-) She said it was great for

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Robert Enger - NANOG
Forget Linksys: Didn't Peter Lothberg's mom have a CRS1 in her basement already? :-) She said it was great for drying her clothes. If she gets the CRS-3, will she be able to dry her clothes even faster? On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote: The article about this in the te

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Joel Esler
Yes, it says that right in the press release. J -- Joel Esler joel.es...@me.com http://www.joelesler.net On Tuesday, March 09, 2010, at 03:09PM, "Brandon Galbraith" wrote: >It was mentioned that Att is already testing this with a 100gbps fiber run. > >On Mar 9, 2010 1:53 PM, "Brian Feeny" wr

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Brett Watson
On Mar 9, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Brandon Galbraith wrote: > It was mentioned that Att is already testing this with a 100gbps fiber run. Maybe Peter Lothberg is testing one in his basement? :) -b

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Brandon Galbraith
It was mentioned that Att is already testing this with a 100gbps fiber run. On Mar 9, 2010 1:53 PM, "Brian Feeny" wrote: So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Str

RE: CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread David Hubbard
n less than four minutes > > If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine! > > Brian The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like "Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds?" LOL

CRS-3

2010-03-09 Thread Brian Feeny
So who is going to be the first to deploy these? http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html - Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine!