On 12/5/24 20:48, j...@joelesler.net wrote:
If I ever build the next house, I’ll ensure that Ethernet is installed
just as extensively as electric wiring.
It's a no-brainer.
My house was built in the early 90's, so no Ethernet at that time.
I ran Ethernet to every room, some of it using
Real life example of an optimizer issue I helped a friend sort out
many years ago.
Prefix 1 : 10.0.0.0/16, Communities A B C
Prefix 2 : 10.0.0.0/20, Communities B D E
Optimizer created /23s inside the /20. What communities do you think it
applied to the new routes?
- A B C
- B D E
- Random assor
Bill,
While that sounds plausible on paper, keep in mind it will also include IX
route servers and MPLS route reflectors.
Noction can append communities to its announcements, meaning one can very
easily set NO_EXPORT (65535:65281) and/or a community applicable to the AS. The
latter going back
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 2:34 PM Ryan Hamel wrote:
> This same thing also applies to operators of route optimizers. They
> are responsible for writing the correct import/export policies for their
> network, just like the carriers for writing sane policies for customer
> circuits
Hi Ryan,
Is there
Tom,
What does "these devices don't follow standard BGP behaviors" have to do with
adding a NO_EXPORT or specific community on the import policy when a route is
accepted, and being belt & suspenders with matching those communities to drop
those routes on export to carriers/IX/PNI sessions?
Rya
>
> They are responsible for writing the correct import/export policies for
> their network, just like the carriers for writing sane policies for
> customer circuits
Nobody is asserting that operators are still not responsible for doing
this. Stop it.
What I think some of you guys fail to under
True, I didn't even think of all of the upstreams of those networks being
responsible for accepting bad routes.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Hamel"
To: "Warren
Warren,
*
"Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people" may be a factually true
statement - but if there were no guns, there would be less people being shot…
While that is also a factually true statement, you are also painting broad
strokes over those who are responsible with those w
NEC wouldn't apply to telecommunications/low voltage. You may think yellow
is common because of single mode fiber. Gray is far more common in the
field in/on buildings. OSP is usually orange, because orange is the color
for telecommunications/phone/internet. Gas plants use yellow
markers/tracer
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 8:15 PM William Herrin wrote:
> As others have noted: conduit is smarter. Communication cable
> standards remain in a state of flux much more rapid than the lifetime
> of a house and the little blue one-inch conduits are not exceptionally
> expensive.
And electricians (and
I was wrong. Here is a list:
https://firewalltimes.com/att-data-breaches/
https://firewalltimes.com/verizon-data-breaches/
https://firewalltimes.com/google-data-breach-timeline/
Over the past 25 years, security researchers worldwide have consistently
identified new SS7 vulnerabilities (thank you A
On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> *shrugs* Incorrectly assigning the blame doesn't really help anyone.
>
Sure, but the fact remains that there is blame to be assigned.
It doesn't really matter to the affected network if the fault lies with the
box itself, or the operator o
Here is the public Breach Report for T-Mobile.
https://firewalltimes.com/t-mobile-data-breaches/
Unable to find AT&T, Verizon or several other companies on the list.
Joe Klein
"inveniet viam, aut faciet" --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, Scene 1)
"*I skate to where the puck is going to be, no
There’s been a question about T-Mobile being part of this or not. I have no specific knowledge, but just count the number of times they’ve been hacked in the past (that we know of) and draw your conclusion that they’re part of this.Ryan WilkinsOn Dec 5, 2024, at 3:38 PM, Joe Klein wrote:I suspec
*shrugs* Incorrectly assigning the blame doesn't really help anyone.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Tom Beecher"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: "Rich Compton" , nanog@nanog.o
>
> I think most of the hatred towards them is unwarranted,
This is essentially saying "I've never had a problem , so I don't think
it's a big deal."
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 3:19 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
> Eh, different people have different opinions.
>
> I think most of the hatred towards them i
* na...@ics-il.net (Mike Hammett) [Thu 05 Dec 2024, 21:32 CET]:
Not by the box, but by the operator of the box.
We've been over this numerous times around the time when that Honest
Networker page in my email was created. Noction ship their boxes with
insanely dangerous defaults that are bound
I suspect that a gag order has been issued for the other companies, and a
cybersecurity incident response team has already been hired and is in place.
Joe Klein
"inveniet viam, aut faciet" --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, Scene 1)
"*I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it h
Not by the box, but by the operator of the box.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Niels Bakker"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:27:23 PM
Subject:
Yes, yes, yes and yes
J~
> On Dec 5, 2024, at 12:10 PM, Compton, Rich wrote:
>
> “I strongly recommend to turn off those BGP optimizers, glue the ports shut,
> burn the hardware, and salt the grounds on which the BGP optimizer sales
> people walked.”
>
> -Job Snijders
>
> https://mailman
* na...@ics-il.net (Mike Hammett) [Thu 05 Dec 2024, 21:18 CET]:
Eh, different people have different opinions.
I think most of the hatred towards them is unwarranted,
You speak like a person whose prefixes were never hijacked and
blackholed by one of those things.
https://honestnetworker.net
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 8:13 AM Drew Weaver wrote:
> The big pain point for this technology at the time was that it could only
> optimize
> the top N egress routes due to how many probes it could send out and how
> many results it could process.
Hi Drew,
It was and remains a data problem, not a
Eh, different people have different opinions.
I think most of the hatred towards them is unwarranted,
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Compton"
To: "Mike Hammett"
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 10:48 AM wrote:
> If I ever build the next house, I’ll ensure that Ethernet is installed just
> as extensively as electric wiring.
Hi Joel,
As others have noted: conduit is smarter. Communication cable
standards remain in a state of flux much more rapid than the lifetime
“I strongly recommend to turn off those BGP optimizers, glue the ports shut,
burn the hardware, and salt the grounds on which the BGP optimizer sales people
walked.”
-Job Snijders
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/092131.html
From: NANOG on behalf of
Mike Hammett
Date:
IIRC, the widespread outages are the result of exporting things that shouldn't
be exported.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Jason Bothe via NANOG"
To: "Drew Weaver"
C
I don't know that you need to spread BGP best path analysis onto a GPU, but
conducting the testing that those boxes do to the entire Internet instead of
just top X destinations would be quite parallel.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
If I ever build the next house, I’ll ensure that Ethernet is installed just as
extensively as electric wiring.
> On Dec 5, 2024, at 10:23, Tom Deligiannis wrote:
>
> NDI or similar? I don't follow. Cable TV, Cable Internet and sat TV aren't
> distributed (to homes) using NDI, they use coax.
>
Actually, some kind of content addressable memory looks more promising
for increasing update throughput than GPUs.
Rubens
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 1:13 PM Drew Weaver wrote:
>
> So back in the.. hell I don’t know like… early 2010s there was a push for
> ‘route optimization’ from products like Ro
I'd imagine the GPUs would be used to help the control plane only, to
bulk-process several prefix updates?
*Pedro Martins Prado*
pedro.pr...@gmail.com / +353 83 036 1875 (FaceTime & WhatsApp)
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 at 17:58, wrote:
> This is part of why the old systems that were mentioned only opt
This is part of why the old systems that were mentioned only optimized the top n routes based on traffic flow (or other configurable metric), because the cost vs. benefit falls off greatly.ShaneOn Dec 5, 2024, at 12:52 PM, Andrey Slastenov wrote:+nanogGreetings, DrewWe don't use GPUs, but we hav
+nanog
Greetings, Drew
We don't use GPUs, but we have worked on a similar project focused on
traffic optimization. I would say that the ping issue is one of the top
pain points, even more significant than route recalculation. The more
routes you try to monitor and optimize, the more significant
It's not even that.
GPU's are very good at parallelized vector computations. They are very very
good at THAT, but ONLY that. This is no different conceptually than router
ASICs. They are designed to do ONE thing very well,
BGP bestpath selection is a completely different computational process.
O
WIth merchant silicon getting faster and stronger everyday, and capacity and
transit in a freewill, I’m not sure what GPU optimization would buy you, not to
mention the ROI. The Internet routing table is not showing substantial signs of
growth and in some cases has experienced a plateau. Also, t
So back in the.. hell I don't know like... early 2010s there was a push for
'route optimization' from products like RouteScience and the Avaya CNA and more
recently whatever Noction is doing.
The big pain point for this technology at the time was that it could only
optimize the top N egress rou
NDI or similar? I don't follow. Cable TV, Cable Internet and sat TV aren't
distributed (to homes) using NDI, they use coax.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 1:37 AM Joly MacFie wrote:
>
> > How else would you distribute cable and sat tv?
> NDI or similar
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 1:15 PM Tom Deligian
CNN mentioned Lumen. T-Mo?
On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 5:22 PM J. Hellenthal via NANOG
wrote:
> Failing to find a list of providers that were hit. Anyone know more ? I
> don't see them mentioned.
> Verizon & AT&T I know of.
>
> --
> J. Hellenthal
>
> The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only
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