Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Mike Tindor
I'm aware that I sent something via email inadvertently to the NANOG list. Sorry about that. If I could remove it I would. Sorry about that Mike On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 4:58 PM Peter Potvin < peter.pot...@accuristechnologies.ca> wrote: > Mike, > > Please verify you are emailing the correct per

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Peter Potvin via NANOG
Mike, Please verify you are emailing the correct person. I have no idea how this thread relates to a domain name transfer but I highly recommend verifying the recipient of your emails to make sure they go to the right place. Regards, Peter On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 4:57 PM Mike Tindor wrote: > >

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Mike Tindor
Sorry all for emaling to Nanog inadvertently. I sent a copuole of nonrelevant posts On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 4:46 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > >> I don't think there is any satisfactory argument that can be made for >> wanting to avoid route server routing. For the content/cloud folk, I think >> avoi

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Mike Tindor
The ... AUTH code did NOT work stbernadettewv.org Canceled - Invalid EPP/authorization key - Please contact current registrar to obtain correct key On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 4:51 PM Mike Tindor wrote: > > Assuming the code is correct and that you will be getting the email,l you > should get any e

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Mike Tindor
Assuming the code is correct and that you will be getting the email,l you should get any email any time. stbernadettewv.org Domain awaiting transfer initiation Mike On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 4:46 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > >> I don't think there is any satisfactory argument that can be made for >> w

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Tom Beecher
> > > I don't think there is any satisfactory argument that can be made for > wanting to avoid route server routing. For the content/cloud folk, I think > avoiding it provides a mechanism via which they can screen for the utility > of having to keep an exchange point node upgraded and optimized for

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 11/7/24 21:42, Randy Bush wrote: i used to resist. my instinct is that the data plane and the control plane should be congruent or you can have hard to debug issues[0]. but, as i have gotten older and lazier, and as you say, route servers have gotten quite reliable, i have come over to the

Re: IPXO?

2024-11-07 Thread Brandon Zhi
Hi, My experience with IPXO hasn't been very positive. Previously, our company rented about 10 /24 blocks from IPXO for testing purposes because we were running out of network IP addresses. Later on, IPXO reclaimed all of our IP addresses due to "abuse" reasons, causing us thousands of dollars in

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Randy Bush
> You almost can't have lower effort peering than via an IXP's route > server. Most of them these days are well run with IRR-based filtering > and RPKI OV. i used to resist. my instinct is that the data plane and the control plane should be congruent or you can have hard to debug issues[0]. but,

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Niels Bakker
* mark@tinka.africa (Mark Tinka) [Thu 07 Nov 2024, 19:25 CET]: The paradigm shift happening in the content/cloud space is that the "quick win value" eyeball networks enjoy from peering with the route server to reach them does not appear to continue to be worth the admin. effort for said content

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Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 11/7/24 19:22, Will Hargrave wrote: Hi Tom, I don’t really think your last statement is true. UK, and London in particular, is quite a dynamic market. At LONAP we see plenty of networks connect and see an immediate “quick win” of traffic by connection to our route-servers, where adopt

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

2024-11-07 Thread Will Hargrave
On 5 Nov 2024, at 16:56, Tom Beecher wrote: >> Especially so if a few of the large content providers continue to pull >> back from route servers and such. > Content providers aren't leaving IXP's completely. They're still there, > still paying monthly for ports and XCs. Still doing bilateral peeri