Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-23 Thread Sean Donelan
Somewhere I have a first edition of Steven's TCP/IP Illustrated, in some box of books I can't find. Strangely, "3600 seconds" is one timeout value which doesn't exist in that chapter (or TCP). Yep, ISPs and middleware boxes use that value, often incorrectly. On Mon, 22 Jul 2024, Mel Beck

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Josh Luthman
>Xbox will also auto push out updates to games very soon after their release, even with the console being off Auto updates with the console "off" has been a thing since the launch of the Xbox One (nov 2013) and the relatable Playstation. Newer Xbox/Playstation continue to have this. I don't thin

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Aaron Gould
understood.  today's ~3:00 a.m traffic increase, is similar to what I saw 1/23/2024... nice of them to at least start it during lowest use time of the day. https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2024-January/224671.html -Aaron On 7/23/2024 12:33 PM, Tom Beecher wrote: No, because there'

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Tom Beecher
No, because there's no set schedule for these things. Some publishers / consoles get content/patches up in advance to allow user to pre-load. This can smooth out the bandwidth hits, but only if the users enable the pre-load feature. Many don't. Other publishers just enable the updates at once for

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Paul Bradford
You're right on and most of us don't monitor for shifts between direct peering and transit very well. we monitor for bw threshold. Paul Bradford Lead Network Engineer AS11776 C: 814-203-0699 E: pbradf...@breezeline.com Breezeline.com 2875 Rt 764 Suite 2, Duncansville, PA 16635 On Tue

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/23/24 16:15, Bryan Holloway wrote: What irks me is that we have direct PNIs with -- without naming names -- the "big guys" delivering this content, and yet the majority of this traffic is coming over our public IX connections and transit. Kinda defeats the purpose of a PNI ... anyone

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Brandon Ambrose
There was an issue in a Fortnite update yesterday for Xbox causing the update to be over 80gb (usually 20gb or less) on that platform. Xbox will also auto push out updates to games very soon after their release, even with the console being off. Brandon Ambrose On Jul 23, 2024 at 10:17 AM -0400,

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Tim Burke
Not seeing the same here in Houston, the influx of 54113 traffic was coming in on PNI. Most of my traffic from the other “big guy” is coming in on transit instead of PNI, but I’ve been told that is due to some issues with their POP in the market. > On Jul 23, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Bryan Holloway w

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Bryan Holloway
What irks me is that we have direct PNIs with -- without naming names -- the "big guys" delivering this content, and yet the majority of this traffic is coming over our public IX connections and transit. Kinda defeats the purpose of a PNI ... anyone else seeing this? - bryan

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Eric Dugas via NANOG
I see a mix of Akamai, Amazon, Apple (iOS/macOS updates?), Edgio, Fastly for direct peers. I haven't dug into transit but I see spikes on Arelion and Cogent. Quick search is showing me multiple possibilities: Fallout 76 update, PS5 firmware update, possibly Fortnite update. On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 a

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Aaron Gould
thanks Peter, et al.  Is there some sort of website, traffic stats, gaming update schedule page for me to proactively see if/when this type of thing will occur?  I mean, this is a significant uptick on all 3 of my internet uplinks... would be nice to know beforehand -Aaron On 7/23/2024 9:02

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Peter Potvin via NANOG
Considering at least the top 4 IPs you've listed are CDN providers (Edgio and Fastly), this definitely sounds like game updates or something of the sort. Nothing unusual really for 3am on a weekday morning especially for an eyeball network. Kind regards, Peter On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 9:57 AM Aar

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Paul Bradford
Playstation 5 system updates kicked off around then: https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/1ea1dii/ps5_firmware_update_released_for_july_23_patch/ On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 9:57 AM Aaron Gould wrote: > Thanks Jason, updates for what? I was hoping any other eyeball network > operators may have b

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Aaron Gould
Thanks Jason, updates for what? I was hoping any other eyeball network operators may have been seeing "lots of internet" usage like me and may be able to share what they know. I'm always suspicious about the typical game update that tends to cause something like this. someone unicasted me a

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Jason Canady
Yes, looks like all the families with young/middle aged teens are downloading updates. On 7/23/24 09:03, Aaron Gould wrote: Anyone else see a lot of Internet traffic starting at 3 a.m. and continuing even now?  Seems to be spiky tcp.

Re: lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Peter Potvin via NANOG
Do you have *any* sort of additional information about this? Which source and destination ASNs, how much "a lot" is, etc? This sounds like a typical game update release cycle though without any information not a whole lot of networks would be able to confirm anything. Kind regards, Peter On Tue,

lots of internet starting at ~3 a.m. cst

2024-07-23 Thread Aaron Gould
Anyone else see a lot of Internet traffic starting at 3 a.m. and continuing even now?  Seems to be spiky tcp. -- -Aaron

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-23 Thread Sean Donelan
According to speedtest.net (Akamai has apparently stop publishing its data) Fixed Broadband (Global median): 93 Mbps (download) / 47 Mbps (upload) Mobile Broadband (Global median): 56 Mbps (download) / 11 Mbps (upload) By Country (fixed broadband) 1. Singapore 285 Mbps 159. Cuba 2.7 Mbp