Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

- Original Message - > From: "Keith Medcalf" >>Is nested virtualization really a thing? > > Real Computers have been running VMs inside VMs for about 50 years. Bringing > this technology to "bitty boxes" is a recent thing. Sure, but VM is a bit more mature than KVM. :-) Cheers, -- jr

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On 1/19/21 10:56 AM, Bryan Holloway wrote: On 1/19/21 6:33 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 1/19/21 11:44 AM, William Herrin wrote: Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and storage within the virtual enviro

RE: Hosting recommendations ... ?

>Is nested virtualization really a thing? Real Computers have been running VMs inside VMs for about 50 years. Bringing this technology to "bitty boxes" is a recent thing. -- Be decisive. Make a decision, right or wrong. The road of life is paved with flat squirrels who could not make a dec

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

Sounds like someone has more time to talk/type about political dogma with random strangers than the purpose of this mailing list. - J On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:58 AM J. Hellenthal wrote: > Yeah he did the same dolt act to me to. Just a really bored dolt looking > for nonsense with a crush on AO

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:27 PM Brandon Martin wrote: > On 1/19/21 12:56 PM, Bryan Holloway wrote: > > > > I'm very curious about your assertion: > > > > Is nested virtualization really a thing? > > > > I mean, I'm not exactly trying to render Pixar's latest movie ... just > > trying to push some

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On 1/19/21 12:56 PM, Bryan Holloway wrote: I'm very curious about your assertion: Is nested virtualization really a thing? I mean, I'm not exactly trying to render Pixar's latest movie ... just trying to push some bits around (light web-sites, some e-mail ...) It just seems inherently prone

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:50:31AM -0800, William Herrin wrote: > I use Vultr for my primary BGP exit and have found it largely > painless. The VMs I have there DO NOT support nested virtualization. That's odd, I have run Xen in standard Vultr VMs, and it works. It's not fast, though. Thanks, War

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

I would look at https://www.webhostingtalk.com forums and specifically the "Dedicated Hosting Offers" forums https://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=36 for providers and deals. On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 1:34 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Maybe this w

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On 1/19/21 1:50 PM, William Herrin wrote: I haven't used Proxmox but from a 60 second glance through Google that looks like you're asking for nested virtualization. If it works at all, you'd take a double-hit on everything that wants to run in ring 0, a double-hit on virtualized I/O and a double-

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

Proxmox specifically isn't much more than a wrapper for standard Linux KVM, which can support nested virtualization. In my limited experience with nesting, it doesn't work half bad as one would expect, but I haven't used it in a stressed environment with anything substantial running that way. On

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:18 AM Bryan Holloway wrote: > Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 example "Cloud", what > prevents me from running a Proxmox ISO (which is more or less Debian) > vs. a "standard" Debian install on the provider's virtual server? Hi Bryan, I haven't used Proxmox

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

Maybe this will help: I use vultr. I have also brought my own address space and am announcing it to them from one of their instances (vm's) with BGP. They are set up such that you can use a private AS if you don't have your own and are ok with them announcing this from their AS (after they str

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On 1/19/21 9:33 AM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 1/19/21 11:44 AM, William Herrin wrote: Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host operating

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On 1/19/21 6:33 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 1/19/21 11:44 AM, William Herrin wrote: Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host operati

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

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Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

You make an excellent point, Martijn ... (and I suspect this is what Bill was pointing out ...) Virtualization on top of virtualization is inherently not the best idea. I guess I'm looking for flexibility in the sense of being able to spin up additional VMs at my leisure. In which case #2 coul

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On 1/19/21 11:44 AM, William Herrin wrote: Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host operating systems or hypervisors. It's worth pointing

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

For #1, are you trying to do "Cloud-ception" e.g. running your own proxmox virtualization on top of an already virtual machine, so that you're basically two layers deep? For #2, of course you need to be able to survive a hardware failure (using RAID1 or some flavour of DRBD for example) but hav

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

I would assume that anyone providing a dedicated server has the means to facilitate timely hardware replacements. Ask for their SLA on that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From

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I'm not sure spammers and AS paths really go together. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 11:27 AM William Herrin wrote: > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:20 AM Josh Luthman > wrote: > > I'm kind of confused

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 example "Cloud", what prevents me from running a Proxmox ISO (which is more or less Debian) vs. a "standard" Debian install on the provider's virtual server? If I can, I've succeeded. That is the sort of hosting provider I'm looking for, if they ex

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:31 AM Bryan Holloway wrote: > I would like to stop personally dealing with bare-metal. That's what I'm > doing now. Hi Bryan, Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and storage with

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

Fair questions -- answers in-line ... On 1/19/21 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm kind of confused when your concern is the reputability and yet you're providing your own IP space. I care about the hosting environment's upstreams' opinions of the downstream. That is, I don't want to be in

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:20 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > I'm kind of confused when your concern is the reputability and yet you're > providing your own IP space. Hi Josh, I'm not above discarding announcements with a "bulletproof" hoster in the AS path. Are you? Regards, Bill Herrin On Tue, Jan

Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?

I'm kind of confused when your concern is the reputability and yet you're providing your own IP space. It sounds more to me like you want to put 2-3 boxes in a data center. For that pretty much any decent sized data center in any state would work for the US. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 7:45 AM Bryan Holloway wrote: > Looking for a reputable (i.e., no hosting of spammers or other > ne'er-do-wells) hosting provider with possibly a global footprint. If > not, US is #1 desire; EU #2. > > * Desire to host 2-3 hypervisors, probably running something akin to >

Hosting recommendations ... ?

Hey gang ... Looking for a reputable (i.e., no hosting of spammers or other ne'er-do-wells) hosting provider with possibly a global footprint. If not, US is #1 desire; EU #2. Requirements, more or less: * Desire to host 2-3 hypervisors, probably running something akin to Proxmox ... * ~5-

Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

On 1/19/21 17:15, Sean Donelan wrote: There is only one problem in engineering -- scaling. Country internet shutdowns never go to zero.  There's usually 5% to 15% left over connectivity. There are always a few embassies, international companies, NGOs and even government offices itself with

Re: Paging a TATA person?

Connected you off list with friends at Tata Comm. On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 at 1:59 AM, Dan Mahoney wrote: > Someone in TATA networking, if you could please contact me off-list, I'd > appreciate it. This relates to my day job doing DNS things for ISC. > > -Dan > > -- > > Dan Mahoney---

Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

Everyone take a deep breath, calm down, and move on from this thread. On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:22 AM Jeff P wrote: > I contacted you (and others) off list to avoid a public discussion on a > board dedicated to the discussion of networking to call out your misogynist > comment in a previous post

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Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

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Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

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Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

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Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

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Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

I contacted you (and others) off list to avoid a public discussion on a board dedicated to the discussion of networking to call out your misogynist comment in a previous post with content that did not further any discussion relevant to networking... If the admins are interested in the full content

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

Yeah he did the same dolt act to me to. Just a really bored dolt looking for nonsense with a crush on AOC. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > On Jan 19, 2021, at 00:40, Javier J wrote: > > 

Re: Parler

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RE: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

> From: Sean Donelan > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:58 AM > > In 2016, U.N. Human Rights Council, resolution A/HRC/RES/32/13: "condemns > unequivocally measures to intentionally prevent or disrupt access to or > dissemination of information online in violation of international human rights >