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________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+michael=spears...@nanog.org> on behalf of Bryan Holloway <br...@shout.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:37:14 PM To: Martijn Schmidt <martijnschm...@i3d.net>; William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Hosting recommendations ... ? You make an excellent point, Martijn ... (and I suspect this is what Bill was pointing out ...) Virtualization on top of virtualization is inherently not the best idea. I guess I'm looking for flexibility in the sense of being able to spin up additional VMs at my leisure. In which case #2 could be suitable in the right environment. ... in which case SLAs would be tantamount to success ... So ... that said, any recommendations? :) On 1/19/21 6:32 PM, Martijn Schmidt wrote: > For #1, are you trying to do "Cloud-ception" e.g. running your own > proxmox virtualization on top of an already virtual machine, so that > you're basically two layers deep? > > For #2, of course you need to be able to survive a hardware failure > (using RAID1 or some flavour of DRBD for example) but having to think > about such things is the "trade-off" of having access to the bare-metal > layer.. it does have advantages, for example if you want to install your > own virtualization layer without any involvement from the hosting > provider. You'd usually have agreements with the hosting provider about > how/when hardware replacements would be done. > > Best regards, > Martijn > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+martijnschmidt=i3d....@nanog.org> on behalf > of Bryan Holloway <br...@shout.net> > *Sent:* 19 January 2021 18:18 > *To:* William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> > *Cc:* NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> > *Subject:* Re: Hosting recommendations ... ? > Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 example "Cloud", what > prevents me from running a Proxmox ISO (which is more or less Debian) > vs. a "standard" Debian install on the provider's virtual server? > > If I can, I've succeeded. That is the sort of hosting provider I'm > looking for, if they exist. > > #2 would be suitable, but it seems to be that if leased bare-metal dies, > it will be some time for ETR. Less desirable, but I'm open to ideas. > > #3 I do now. Trying to move away from that. > > > On 1/19/21 5:44 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:31 AM Bryan Holloway <br...@shout.net> wrote: >>> I would like to stop personally dealing with bare-metal. That's what I'm >>> doing now. >> >> Hi Bryan, >> >> Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally >> adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and >> storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host >> operating systems or hypervisors. >> >> Bare metal = you lease physical equipment. You manage all software on >> the equipment including any hypervisors needed to run virtual servers. >> You DO NOT deal with hardware break/fix, that problem belongs to the >> service provider. >> >> Colocation = You lease space in a data center. You provide physical >> equipment in your custom configuration. >> >> With this terminology, at least one of your requirements is unmeetable >> for contradicting the others. So I ask again for clarification: which >> of these do you seek? >> >> Regards, >> Bill Herrin >>
