But as I said, harvesting emails is not illegal under can spam. And the
requirement to not send you UCE to harvested emails is pointless, because how
do you prove that someone did that?
-mel via cell
On Jun 13, 2017, at 8:44 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> It seems that more than just a few of us we
:: What do you suggest? Shoot them at Dawn? :-)
Not all of them. Just shoot the first one and the rest will
pay attention! ;-)
:: We don't have a runaway spamming problem on the list.
A lot of it has to do with naming-n-shaming, which he did.
Instead of a firing squad, it's a financial
> It seems that more than just a few of us were spammed by Glenn Stern
> (gst...@calient.net), an employee of Calient following NANOG 70.
> ...
> Hopefully those of you who have traditional community attitudes will
> show your reaction via your pocketbooks.
traditional community attitudes left the
In message , Mel Beckman
writes:
> Mark,
>
> What law makes the harvesting of email addresses illegal? None that I
> know of.
If you can trust wikipedia sending to harvested addresses is illegal
under CAN-SPAM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003
While this is not US law, the a
Mark,
What law makes the harvesting of email addresses illegal? None that I know of.
-mel via cell
> On Jun 13, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>
>
> In message , Mel Beckman
> writes:
>> Mark,
>>
>> The problem with your idea is that these NANOG attendee emails aren't
>> illegal und
In message , Mel Beckman
writes:
> Mark,
>
> The problem with your idea is that these NANOG attendee emails aren't
> illegal under CAN-SPAM. This toothless Act let's anyone email any address
> they want, however obtained, with virtually any content (except sexually
> explicit), as long as they do
Mark,
The problem with your idea is that these NANOG attendee emails aren't illegal
under CAN-SPAM. This toothless Act let's anyone email any address they want,
however obtained, with virtually any content (except sexually explicit), as
long as they don't use misleading headers, deceptive subje
Thank you
--
Onward!,
Jason Hellenthal,
Systems & Network Admin,
Mobile: 0x9CA0BD58,
JJH48-ARIN
On Jun 13, 2017, at 14:36, Keith Medcalf wrote:
Microsoft has released "critical patches" for "recently disclosed
vulnerabilities which may be used for imminent attacks". Main page is he
In message <38e506a8-247a-478f-9c4d-21602bee6...@beckman.org>, Mel Beckman
writes:
> That still leaves the question: how to you invoke this financial
> punishment? Prohibit NANOG members from buying their products?
Everyone that has received the email bring a action under the
CAN-SPAM act. Real
Does it fit into one of the categories I defined?
I wasn't overly clear in the second example of the last category. Seeing
someone working for someone that's in a specific area and then reaching out to
them about something specific to their area... probably not.
Further examples of yes\no for
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think it would too subject to wild variance in what someone views as bad.
Actual SPAM (viagra, Nigerian prices, etc.), of course.
Industry-related SPAM, probably.
Targeted marketing (looking for someone at Facebook, seeing someone from
Facebook and trac
I think it would too subject to wild variance in what someone views as bad.
Actual SPAM (viagra, Nigerian prices, etc.), of course.
Industry-related SPAM, probably.
Targeted marketing (looking for someone at Facebook, seeing someone from
Facebook and tracking them down... or seeing someone at
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 05:47:23PM +, Mel Beckman wrote:
> That still leaves the question: how to you invoke this financial
> punishment? Prohibit NANOG members from buying their products?
I don't think there's a mechanism to do that. (Please correct me
if I'm wrong.) However, I think it's f
> > From: "Chuck Anderson"
> > To: nanog@nanog.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:47:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees
> >
> > I've started keeping a list of companies who make unsolicited
> > calls/emails. I tell them that I put them on my list of companies
> > n
* m...@beckman.org (Mel Beckman) [Tue 13 Jun 2017, 21:26 CEST]:
And your proposed solution is?
Simple. Stop buying from spammers.
-- Niels.
Microsoft has released "critical patches" for "recently disclosed
vulnerabilities which may be used for imminent attacks". Main page is here:
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/security/4025685.aspx
and that has links to the appropriate articles and places where you can
actually down
Dan,
And your proposed solution is?
-mel via cell
> On Jun 13, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Dan Hollis wrote:
>
> It's funny to see all this apologia for nanog spammers and attempts to
> normalize the practice and brush it off as acceptable or unavoidable,
> especially after the "omg evil politicans v
It's funny to see all this apologia for nanog spammers and attempts to
normalize the practice and brush it off as acceptable or unavoidable,
especially after the "omg evil politicans voted to rollback fcc privacy
rules and let companies sell your data" derpy derp thread.
You can't have it both
On 6/13/17 1:12 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> That excuse stopped being viable sometime in the last century. They know
> exactly what they're doing, they're just counting on the prospective
> gains to outweigh the prospective losses. If they're right, then the
> spamming will not only continue, it w
Overreact much?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Anderson"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:47:17 PM
Subject: Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attend
That still leaves the question: how to you invoke this financial punishment?
Prohibit NANOG members from buying their products?
-mel via cell
> On Jun 13, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 03:31:46PM +, Mel Beckman wrote:
>> Sometimes they're ignorant and
I've started keeping a list of companies who make unsolicited
calls/emails. I tell them that I put them on my list of companies
never to do business with.
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 01:12:07PM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On
Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 03:31:46PM +, Mel Beckman wrote: > >
Sometimes th
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 03:31:46PM +, Mel Beckman wrote:
> Sometimes they're ignorant and don't realize they're spamming.
That excuse stopped being viable sometime in the last century. They know
exactly what they're doing, they're just counting on the prospective
gains to outweigh the prospec
Rodney,
My misunderstanding. Despite the subject line noting NANOG attendees, I
interpreted your statement "It seems that more than just a few of us were
spammed…” to be referring to the NANOG mailing list (“us”). I figured the
spammer was signing up to the list first.
As for the attendee list
> On Jun 13, 2017, at 8:31 AM, Mel Beckman wrote:
>
> Rodney,
>
> You said "I see something every couple of months that I can track back to
> NANOG, or ARIN."
>
> I would hardly call this a flood. But my point is that most people posting to
> NANOG, being technical people, respond to notific
Rodney,
You said "I see something every couple of months that I can track back to
NANOG, or ARIN."
I would hardly call this a flood. But my point is that most people posting to
NANOG, being technical people, respond to notifications that they are spamming.
Your example email illustrates this p
> On Jun 13, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Mel Beckman wrote:
>
> Rodney,
>
> What do you suggest? Shoot them at Dawn? :-)
>
> The standard warning and education has always been adequate in the past. We
> don't have a runaway spamming problem on the list.
What standard warning and education?
We have f
Rodney,
What do you suggest? Shoot them at Dawn? :-)
The standard warning and education has always been adequate in the past. We
don't have a runaway spamming problem on the list.
-mel beckman
> On Jun 13, 2017, at 6:00 AM, Rodney Joffe wrote:
>
> It seems that more than just a few of us w
It seems that more than just a few of us were spammed by Glenn Stern
(gst...@calient.net), an employee of Calient following NANOG 70.
The spammer had the balls to say, in his email:
>
> We do not know each other. I'm leveraging the attendee list for NANOG to
> reach out and raise awareness of
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