> On Jun 13, 2017, at 8:31 AM, Mel Beckman <m...@beckman.org> wrote: > > Rodney, > > You said "I see something every couple of months that I can track back to > NANOG, or ARIN." > > I would hardly call this a flood. But my point is that most people posting to > NANOG, being technical people, respond to notifications that they are > spamming. Your example email illustrates this perfectly. Sometimes they're > ignorant and don't realize they're spamming. If they're persistent they get > removed from the list (I don't think that has had to happen for several > years). > > The remaining spammers are easily caught by filters, as you can plainly see. > > I don't see your need for urgency, and you still haven't said what you > propose as a better arrangement. I made my suggestion. What's yours?
I'm one of 10,000. I assume others see as many as I do (I have no idea how many get caught in my filters). I don't recall calling this a flood. Did I? And I don't believe he is on the list so there's no way to "remove" him. I think the list does a good job over time "training" subscribers. But I did say that if others don't respond to spammers to this list from vendors, it will become a problem. The list is fertile ground. And I'm not sure that Sterns response indicates any awareness. He admitted he used the 1,300 person attendee list as a prospecting tool. So all that I am suggesting is that others take the time to respond to spam from vendors (as I did) rather than ignoring it (just hitting delete doesn't work out in the long run). I have to assume that after a reasonable number of people do complain to his company, they'll learn. And others on the list who are tempted, change their minds. I don't think the list itself per se suffers from a spam problem - although my 3 emails probably qualify as too much noise already. But it is vendors who use the list to prospect who should be discouraged. Btw I have no doubt that rogue salesmen from my companies over the years have tried it once. When I find out about it, I do kick butts. I'm hoping that this discussion is enough to get Calient to rethink their strategy. For crying out loud, the guy is a VP in their company. What kind of example is that? I'll end my public noise here :-) Rodney > > -mel > >> On Jun 13, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Rodney Joffe <rjo...@centergate.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Mel Beckman <m...@beckman.org> wrote: >>> >>> Rodney, >>> >>> What do you suggest? Shoot them at Dawn? :-) >>> >>> The standard warning and education has always been adequate in the past. We >>> don't have a runaway spamming problem on the list. >> >> What standard warning and education? >> >> We have filters to stop spam making it to the list. >> >> But there is definitely a spamming problem of sorts amongst vendors, to >> subscriber addresses. >> >> I see something every couple of months that I can track back to NANOG, or >> ARIN. >> >> What I *know* is that if you open the door, and ignore it with vendors on >> NANOG, the list members will end up having a problem. If you want to know >> why I consider myself an expert, feel free to ask me offline about what the >> attitude that those of us who ran "the backbone" in 1994 had - and how that >> worked out. >> >> On the other hand, as a senior citizen, at the end of my tech days, with >> enable grudgingly given up, I guess I could turn away and say "not my >> problem, really". >> >> YMMV. >>> >>> -mel beckman >>> >>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 6:00 AM, Rodney Joffe <rjo...@centergate.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> It seems that more than just a few of us were spammed by Glenn Stern >>>> (gst...@calient.net), an employee of Calient following NANOG 70. >>>> >>>> The spammer had the balls to say, in his email: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> We do not know each other. I'm leveraging the attendee list for NANOG to >>>>> reach out and raise awareness of the value of OCS (Optical Circuit >>>>> Switching) in the data center and in particular, the Carrier Neutral >>>>> Hotel where we've been active with next generation MeetMeRoom discussions. >>>> >>>> He does not show as an attendee at NANOG, but another executive, David >>>> Altstaetter, daltstaet...@calient.net did register, and may have even >>>> shown up. Hopefully those of you who have traditional community attitudes >>>> will show your reaction via your pocketbooks. >>>> >>>> Maybe its time for the NANOG board and staff to step in, and develop some >>>> teeth to use in cases like these? Unless the majority of you members are >>>> cool with unfettered spamming of member and attendee lists. In which case, >>>> have at it! >>>> >>>> Rodney >>
