In message <a9d2d1be-0724-4cbb-ace3-8d2de9c89...@beckman.org>, Mel Beckman writes: > Mark, > > What law makes the harvesting of email addresses illegal? None that I > know of.
If you can trust wikipedia sending to harvested addresses is illegal under CAN-SPAM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003 While this is not US law, the act of harvesting addresses is illegal under the Australian anti-spam act https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00614 Mark > -mel via cell > > > On Jun 13, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Mark Andrews <ma...@isc.org> wrote: > > > > > > In message <f7e1f127-e971-4e92-af44-13193bd0e...@beckman.org>, Mel > Beckman writes: > >> Mark, > >> > >> The problem with your idea is that these NANOG attendee emails aren't > >> illegal under CAN-SPAM. This toothless Act let's anyone email any > address > >> they want, however obtained, with virtually any content (except > sexually > >> explicit), as long as they don't use misleading headers, deceptive > >> subject lines, or obscure the fact that the email is an ad. Those > >> features, plus clear identification of the originator and an opt-out > >> mechanism, let anyone send unlimited spam. > > > > The act of harvesting the email addresses is illegal which makes > > the subsequent emails illegal even if they meet all the other > > requirements of the CAN-SPAM act. > > > >> So, in reality, these so-called NANOG spammers are within the law. We > >> just don't like what they're doing. > >> > >> We definitely can't sue them as you advise. In fact, individual CANT > use > >> under CAN-SPAM. Only we network operators can. > >> > >> Thanks for nothing, Congress. > > > > As someone with stonger local anti-spam legislation that has to put > > up with the spam from US sources I have to agree. > > > > Mark > > > >> -mel via cell > >> > >>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Mark Andrews <ma...@isc.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> In message <38e506a8-247a-478f-9c4d-21602bee6...@beckman.org>, Mel > >> Beckman writes: > >>>> That still leaves the question: how to you invoke this financial > >>>> punishment? Prohibit NANOG members from buying their products? > >>> > >>> Everyone that has received the email bring a action under the > >>> CAN-SPAM act. Really if you don't want the list to be harvested, > >>> which is illegal under the act, bring the action. Opt out doesn't > >>> save the sender if they have already committed a illegal act. > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>>> -mel via cell > >>>> > >>>>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Rich Kulawiec <r...@gsp.org> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 03:31:46PM +0000, Mel Beckman wrote: > >>>>>> Sometimes they're ignorant and don't realize they're spamming. > >>>>> > >>>>> That excuse stopped being viable sometime in the last century. They > >>>> know > >>>>> exactly what they're doing, they're just counting on the prospective > >>>>> gains to outweigh the prospective losses. If they're right, then > the > >>>>> spamming will not only continue, it will increase. (As we've seen: > >>>>> over and over and over again.) That's because they don't care about > >>>>> being professional or responsible or ethical: they only care about > >>>> profits. > >>>>> > >>>>> So the choice is clear: either make it plain to such "people" (if I > >>>>> may dignify sociopathic filth with that term) that this is > absolutely > >>>>> unacceptable and that it will have serious, immediate, ongoing > >> negative > >>>>> financial consequences, or do nothing while the problem escalates > >>>>> indefinitely. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you give people the means to hurt you, and they do it, and > >>>>> you take no action except to continue giving them the means to > >>>>> hurt you, and they take no action except to keep hurting you, > >>>>> then one of the ways you can describe the situation is "it isn't > >>>>> scaling well". > >>>>> --- Paul Vixie, on NANOG > >>>>> > >>>>> ---rsk > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Mark Andrews, ISC > >>> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > >>> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org > > > > -- > > Mark Andrews, ISC > > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org
