Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-16 Thread Masataka Ohta
Simon Lockhart wrote: Has anyone else come up against the problem, and/or have any suggestions on how best to resolve it? The best solution is to have a common practice on a set of public port numbers assigned to a host behind NAT. For example, with a practice that, if a port in a range betwe

RE: Anyone with a clue at Zayo?

2016-09-16 Thread Justin Krejci
Might help if you indicate type of service as they have lots of services covered by different groups: IP transit, wave, dark fiber, voip, Colo, etc. Their Enterprise division does yet other services. Might also help if you provide at least a general location/region. -Original Message-

RE: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-16 Thread michalis.bersimis
Another aspect, for those users that need to go the PSN network but experience issues via the CGNAT, an opt-out solution (giving them public IPv4) may should mitigate the problem, that PSN network does not support IPv6. After all what percentage of your total subscribers that uses PSN and are g

Anyone with a clue at Zayo?

2016-09-16 Thread Patrick Sumby
Have a turnup we've been working on all day and no luck so far. Now we're being told that nobody can help outside hours :( Any help much appreciated. Thanks Pat

RE: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-16 Thread Tony Wicks
So the pain has finally flowed down to other parts of the world. (APNIC ran out of IP's a long time ago, so CGN has been in use here for a lot longer) This issue is one I have been dealing with for the last four years. Only with Sony, no other company has caused such a headache in regard to CGNAT.

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Re: "Defensive" BGP hijacking?

2016-09-16 Thread Mel Beckman
Doug, Although RPKI is voluntary and decisions are local, those decisions are also automated. DNS is voluntary, and decisions are local as well, yet the government has been able to leverage DNS to unilaterally seize domain names without due process. Like Maxwell's Demons, it's theoretically pos

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-16 Thread Ca By
On Friday, September 16, 2016, Simon Lockhart wrote: > All, > > We operate an access network with several hundred thousand users. > Increasingly > we're putting the users behind CGNAT in order to continue to give them an > IPv4 > service (we're all dual-stack, so they all get public IPv6 too). Du

Re: "Defensive" BGP hijacking?

2016-09-16 Thread Doug Montgomery
Ah, the global system I was referring to was the RPKI as distributed repository of routing information. With consistent properties (data formats, security models, data validation techniques, etc) across all 5 RIRs. What an ISP does with the RPKI data, interns of route filtering, is always a local

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-16 Thread A . L . M . Buxey
Hi, as others have said, need to engage with one of their other units to get this sorted out - as a network provider, their customers are relying on YOU to access their service, PSN should care. technically, you could start looking at netflows to the PSN and see if anyone is engaged in DDoS v

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-16 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 16 Sep 2016, at 20:38, Simon Lockhart wrote: Unless we know what to look for, it's hard to detect and stop it. It's not just application-layer stuff - they're subject to all sorts of attacks. Screening out the obvious stuff would certainly help. The main issue is a dearth of engagemen

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-16 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Fri Sep 16, 2016 at 08:32:12PM +0700, Roland Dobbins wrote: > Another aspect is ensuring that one has the ability to detect, classify, > traceback, and mitigate outbound badness southbound of the CGN. Unless PSN can tell us what traffic they consider bad, how can we detect and classify it? We c

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-16 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 16 Sep 2016, at 20:12, Simon Lockhart wrote: Has anyone else come up against the problem, and/or have any suggestions on how best to resolve it? I'm pretty sure that at least part of it has to do with DDoS-related activity. The best bet is to try and identify and engage with the relevan

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-16 Thread Mike Hammett
A network that doesn't support IPv6, yet discriminates against CGNAT? That seems like a promising future. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Simon Lockhart" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Fr

PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-16 Thread Simon Lockhart
All, We operate an access network with several hundred thousand users. Increasingly we're putting the users behind CGNAT in order to continue to give them an IPv4 service (we're all dual-stack, so they all get public IPv6 too). Due to the demographic of our users, many of them are gamers. We're h

Re: QWEST.NET can you fix your nameservers

2016-09-16 Thread Tony Finch
Mark Andrews wrote: > > My bet is the DNS vendor has issued a update already and that it > hasn't been applied. $ fpdns sauthns1.qwest.net. fingerprint (sauthns1.qwest.net., 63.150.72.5): NLnetLabs NSD 3.1.0 -- 3.2.8 [New Rules] fingerprint (sauthns1.qwest.net., 2001:428:0:0:0:0:0:7): NLnetLabs