Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"

2013-09-08 Thread Joly MacFie
In case you missed it, Jari Arkko, Chair of the IETF and Stephen Farrell, IETF Security Area Director, just posted: http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/09/security-and-pervasive-monitoring/ -- --- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast

Re: Yahoo is now recycling handles

2013-09-08 Thread Alex Buie
Recent TOR thing with freedomhosting (?) come to mind... On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 6:08 PM, wrote: > On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:34:36 -0600, "Keith Medcalf" said: > > > Sometimes, it is a deliberate feature which is deliberately used to > attack > > the visitors of a web site. Prime example is the DH

Re: Yahoo is now recycling handles

2013-09-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:34:36 -0600, "Keith Medcalf" said: > Sometimes, it is a deliberate feature which is deliberately used to attack > the visitors of a web site. Prime example is the DHS. I must have missed this one. Citation please? pgpQHZAshlFOW.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"

2013-09-08 Thread Matt Palmer
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 03:50:33PM -0400, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > Here is what the politicians forget: > Because the economy is moving to the internet, losing trust in the > internet is akin to losing trust in the banking system. If the last five years have left anyone with a shred of trust i

Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"

2013-09-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/08/2013 02:25 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: - Forwarded message from Gregory Perry - Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:14:47 + From: Gregory Perry To: Phillip Hallam-Baker Cc: "cryptogra...@metzdowd.com" , ianG Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN" On 0

Re: Yahoo is now recycling handles

2013-09-08 Thread Randy
- Original Message - > From: Kee Hinckley > To: "nanog@nanog.org list" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: Yahoo is now recycling handles > > > On Sep 7, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > >> >> The appropriate party to inform would be the FBI ...

Re: Internet Surveillance and Boomerang Routing: A Call for Canadian Network Sovereignty

2013-09-08 Thread Paul Ferguson
Actually Roland is right when he says: If folks are unhappy with the current state of affairs, they ought to concentrate on writing laws, not code. Randy is being his usual self and playing devils advocate, which is fine, but doesn't move the ball (or is simply self-serving). In any event,

Re: Caution! Don't attempt the Postini to Google Apps transition

2013-09-08 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 9/8/2013 2:38 PM, Anurag Bhatia wrote: Hi Matthew Interesting experience. first into a black hole, and then bouncing with permanent failures. What you mean by permanent failures? Can you share error you saw in bounce report? RFC 2505 Anti-Spam Recommendations

Re: Yahoo is now recycling handles

2013-09-08 Thread Kee Hinckley
On Sep 7, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > The appropriate party to inform would be the FBI ... The word fraud comes to > mind, and millions of 50 centses puts company officers in prison for a long > long long time. The charges did indeed expire rather than get posted. None of whic

Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"

2013-09-08 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
With regards to the 10$ snake oil security product versus the real one at $100: since the NSA can break both, they are both worth worth $0 in terms of privacy. >From a business/corporate point of view, there are two aspects: 1- Image: If your weak security has allowed a data breach to become pu

Re: Caution! Don't attempt the Postini to Google Apps transition

2013-09-08 Thread Anurag Bhatia
Hi Matthew Interesting experience. >first into a black hole, and then bouncing with permanent failures. What you mean by permanent failures? Can you share error you saw in bounce report? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > TL; DR: Email won't be delivered, No support >

Re: MTR for Android?

2013-09-08 Thread Anurag Bhatia
I use Fing app which gives traceroute (not MTR) and has some additional features like scanning of broadcast for other machines as well as wake on LAN trigger etc. Checkout - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.overlook.android.fing&hl=en The only bad side is irritating banner which

Re: Internet Surveillance and Boomerang Routing: A Call for Canadian Network Sovereignty

2013-09-08 Thread Michael Thomas
On 9/8/13 12:58 AM, Randy Bush wrote: Quite frankly, all this chatter about technical 'calls to arms' and whatnot is pointless and distracting (thereby calling into question the motivations behind continued agitation for technical remedies, which clearly won't have any effect whatsoever). cool.

Re: Internet Surveillance and Boomerang Routing: A Call for Canadian Network Sovereignty

2013-09-08 Thread Derek Andrew
The topic of Canadian network sovereignty has been part of the Canadian conscience since the failure of CANNET back in the 1970s. Canadians citizens, on Canadian soil, already supply feeds directly to the NSA. Rerouting Internet traffic would make no difference. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:08

Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"

2013-09-08 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > 1. [...] In general the consuming public cannot tell the > difference between “good stuff” and snake oil. So when presented > with a $100 “good” solution or a $10 bunch of snake oil, guess > what gets bought. Or there might b

Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"

2013-09-08 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from "Jeffrey I. Schiller" - Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 19:52:44 -0400 From: "Jeffrey I. Schiller" To: Gregory Perry Cc: "cryptogra...@metzdowd.com" , Phillip Hallam-Baker , ianG Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN" User-Agent

Re: Internet Surveillance and Boomerang Routing: A Call for Canadian Network Sovereignty

2013-09-08 Thread bmanning
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 04:58:52PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > > Quite frankly, all this chatter about technical 'calls to arms' and > > whatnot is pointless and distracting (thereby calling into question > > the motivations behind continued agitation for technical remedies, > > which clearly won't

Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"

2013-09-08 Thread Jorge Amodio
Now is pretty clear, Randy is The Mole ROFL -J On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > - Forwarded message from Gregory Perry > - > > Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:14:47 + > From: Gregory Perry > To: Phillip Hallam-Baker > Cc: "cryptogra...@metzdowd.com" , ianG <

Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"

2013-09-08 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Gregory Perry - Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:14:47 + From: Gregory Perry To: Phillip Hallam-Baker Cc: "cryptogra...@metzdowd.com" , ianG Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN" On 09/07/2013 05:03 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrot

Re: Internet Surveillance and Boomerang Routing: A Call for Canadian Network Sovereignty

2013-09-08 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Sep 8, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > cool. then i presume you will continue to run using rc4 and rsa 1024. The point is that no matter what crypto algorithms are developed and implemented, it's generally trivial for authorized (for whatever value of 'authorized' applies in a given

Re: Internet Surveillance and Boomerang Routing: A Call for Canadian Network Sovereignty

2013-09-08 Thread Randy Bush
> Quite frankly, all this chatter about technical 'calls to arms' and > whatnot is pointless and distracting (thereby calling into question > the motivations behind continued agitation for technical remedies, > which clearly won't have any effect whatsoever). cool. then i presume you will continu