On Dec 4, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Brian Johnson wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:22 PM
>> To: Brian Johnson
>> Cc: Jordan Michaels; nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Pl
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Mark Keymer wrote:
> If there is a Amazon Abuse person our there or if someone has a good contact
> to someone at Amazon can you message me off-list.
>
> We have put in some Abuse request a couple of days ago and have not heard
> back. It would be great to talk with
As usual one or more of the stories out there is wrong. It also says
the man was charged which he apparently was not.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Michael Painter [mailto:tvhaw...@shaka.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:37 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: William was
A lot of guys have the same names, I did not assume that you are related
to Jessica Simpson or Bart Simpson for that matter.
Maybe I did not see you at NSFnet because I was working with DDN which
was established a full two years before NSFnet. So what? Does the
fact that I worked on the precur
Hi,
If there is a Amazon Abuse person our there or if someone has a good
contact to someone at Amazon can you message me off-list.
We have put in some Abuse request a couple of days ago and have not
heard back. It would be great to talk with someone about an issue
effecting one of our client
Owen DeLong wrote:
I strongly disagree with you.
TOR exit nodes provide a vital physical infrastructure to free speech advocates who live in jurisdictions where strong
forces are
aligned against free speech. I'm sure most TOR exit node operators would happily provide all the details they have i
> > Well, an ISP does do that, but so does an end user's network. So if
> > I put a Tor node on an ethernet ("PHYSICAL infrastructure") and then
> > connect that to an ISP ("other PHYSICAL networks"), that doesn't make
> > for a real good way to differentiate between an ISP, a commercial ISP
> > c
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Tal Mizrahi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We are looking for publicly available statistics of network latency
> measurements taken in large networks.
> For example, there is FCC's measurements
> (http://www.fcc.gov/measuring-broadband-america/2012/july).
> However, we are look
I think it is a fallacious debate to discuss whether Tor servers or
services are illegal or legal. Like any other tool, it is all about
intent. I know that as engineering types we tend to not like relativism
but the law is very much about that. Intent is ultimately very critical
to obtaining a c
Hi Tal,
On Dec 4, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Tal Mizrahi wrote:
> We are looking for publicly available statistics of network latency
> measurements taken in large networks.
Maybe http://amp.ring.nlnog.net/ has nice data for you. Contact
ring-adm...@ring.nlnog.net with your proposal.
Kind regards,
If I am a network guy and I sent up a heavily encrypted VPN for use by
worldwide drug cartels, I am pretty sure I am committing a crime. If I
have knowledge that what I am doing is going to further the commission
of a crime, I am probably committing a crime.
The service provider that sold me th
Hi Tal,
> However,
> we are looking for something more detailed that can show a large
> number of latency measurements taken periodically (preferably with as
> small a period as possible).
Have you asked RIPE Atlas for data?
I think this is pretty much what you might find useful.
Greetings
Dan
In countries where the law does not dictate that all carriers maintain
extensive logs, this is fairly simple. Whether you are a Tor node or a
normal ISP, you do nothig until you get a court ordered warrant, at
which point you collect information passing through your network and
hand it over to aut
+1
- Brian J.
> -Original Message-
> From: Naslund, Steve [mailto:snasl...@medline.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:44 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if
>
> Here is something else to consider :
>
> Why will j
Here is something else to consider :
Why will just about any ISP shut down a customer with an open mail
relay? It allows anonymous access to anyone trying to send an email,
right. So why would this not be considered just as "free speech" as the
Tor server. The reason I believe is because we as
- Brian J.
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgr...@ns.sol.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 1:58 PM
> To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
> Cc: Brian Johnson; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if
>
> > > This is a mis
> -Original Message-
> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:22 PM
> To: Brian Johnson
> Cc: Jordan Michaels; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2012, at 09:32 , Brian John
>
> > This is a misleading statement. ISP's (Common carriers) do not provide a
> knowingly
> > illegal offering, ... TOR exit/entrance nodes provide only the former.
>
> This is also a misleading statement. Explain the difference between
> a consumer ISP selling you a cable Internet plan kno
Hi,
We are looking for publicly available statistics of network latency
measurements taken in large networks.
For example, there is FCC's measurements
(http://www.fcc.gov/measuring-broadband-america/2012/july).
However, we are looking for something more detailed that can show a large
number of
On Dec 4, 2012, at 09:32 , Brian Johnson wrote:
> I know I'm going to get flamed and excoriated, but here goes
>
>
>> case evolves in and out of court. Are Tor exit-node operators going to
>> be given the same rights as ISP's who's networks are used for illegal
>> purposes? I would hope so
Marketing... They don't want to risk it getting caught in the current backlash
against 3-strikes laws.
Owen
On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:13 , Joly MacFie wrote:
> ISOC-NY ran a half day conflab on 6 strikes (which incidentally - and for
> reasons that escape me - is a name the Copyright Alert System p
> > This is a misleading statement. ISP's (Common carriers) do not provide a
> > knowingly
I'm trying to remember when ISP's became common carriers...
> > illegal offering, ... TOR exit/entrance nodes provide only the former.
>
> This is also a misleading statement. Explain the difference bet
On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:32:01 +, Brian Johnson said:
> This is a misleading statement. ISP's (Common carriers) do not provide a
> knowingly
> illegal offering, ... TOR exit/entrance nodes provide only the former.
This is also a misleading statement. Explain the difference between
a consumer
ISOC-NY ran a half day conflab on 6 strikes (which incidentally - and for
reasons that escape me - is a name the Copyright Alert System perpetrators
wish would not be used) last November 15.
A full archive is available at http://isoc-ny.org/p2/4527
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Jason Baugher
I know I'm going to get flamed and excoriated, but here goes
> case evolves in and out of court. Are Tor exit-node operators going to
> be given the same rights as ISP's who's networks are used for illegal
> purposes? I would hope so, but it doesn't seem like that has happened in
> this case,
On 12-12-03 14:44, Jordan Michaels wrote:
> case evolves in and out of court. Are Tor exit-node operators going to
> be given the same rights as ISP's who's networks are used for illegal
> purposes?
Perhaps if "Tor exit node" were called "Tor exit Router",
politicians/policemen would have a be
Already dealt with that at an airport once. One look at my picture and
his cleared that right up and they put a note in the entry system that
says I am not this guy. High tech huh. Sometimes the system works. By
the way we have different middle initials and different SSNs.
I have an original D
We don't do content inspection. We don't really want to know what our
customers are doing, and even if we did, there's not enough time in the day
to spend paying attention. When we get complaints from the various
copyright agencies, we warn the customer to stop. When we hit a certain
number of comp
On 2012-12-04 11:51, Nick B wrote:
> In a related note, I wonder if the six-strike rule would violate the ISP's
> safe harbor, as it's clearly content inspection.
As performed in France, what happens is that some copyright owner
contacts the ISP that IP address a.b.c.d had accessed/served copyrigh
This whole DNS hack is broken, browsers will cache the record and
you end up with breakage when using different captive portals in
succession. The hostname used should at least be different for each
setup.
Other aruba dns hacks, like rapconsole.arubanetworks.com, are even more
painful; it is rathe
I seriously doubt many TOR exit nodes have the political clout to be
considered a common carrier.
In a related note, I wonder if the six-strike rule would violate the ISP's
safe harbor, as it's clearly content inspection.
Nick
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Jordan Michaels wrote:
> On 12/03/201
To all:
Does anyone know of a email or phone contact to get Gmail to get my domain off
their RBL list?
Thanks,
Eric Sabo
On 12/03/2012 03:31 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 08:49:24AM +, Warren Bailey wrote:
Can you imagine an email thread that lasted longer than an entire weekend?
Yes, I can. I've participated in some that went on for months. It's simply
a matter of effectiveness and atte
Hi folks,
For quite a few folks here on the list travel is a common thing, going
into foreign wireless networks is too. Likely your laptop/tablet comes
with IPv6 enabled per default, it is 2012 after all almost going 2013.
And then you get to a silly hotspot and it does not work as the
connection
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