Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Elmar K. Bins
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Randy wrote: > How about another HR-Question: > > what do 0.0.0.0/1 and 128.0.0.0.0/1 as static-routes accomplish? Nothing much. The first is half-assed and the second's a typo. El "do I get the job?" mar...

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Don Gould
Ok, so I read over Williams OP... I have 25 years IT experience... I've applied for a few jobs in my time... I thought to myself "I'll have a crack with a few comments!!!"... then I read down the next 30 posts and decided that perhaps I didn't really know enough about networking to reall

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Howard
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: > Routers are sometimes used on networks that don't have internet > connectivity [by design]. This seems amazingly short-sighted for a company > that's been around selling routing gear as long as cisco. > If the router is not connected to the int

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:01:39PM -0700, Scott Weeks wrote: > > > --- ja...@thebaughers.com wrote: > From: Jason Baugher > > Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work > ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) > --- > >

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Randy Bush
cisco has recanted on the forced cloud etc randy

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread David Casey
On Jul 5, 2012, at 18:32, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> I would use questions such as the following: >> >> 1. How many end-sites can be numbered from a single /32. >>(Correct answers: IPv4 - 1, IPv6 - 65,536) > > IPv6 - 16,77

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Cameron Byrne
In Cisco's defense, perhaps the legalese did not fully communicate the intent of the service. http://blogs.cisco.com/home/update-answering-our-customers-questions-about-cisco-connect-cloud-2/ CB On Jul 5, 2012 8:52 AM, "Mario Eirea" wrote: > > Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forc

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Randy
--- On Thu, 7/5/12, William Herrin wrote: > From: William Herrin > Subject: Re: job screening question > To: "Randy" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012, 6:33 PM > > Can you post a sample of the > "answers" you have received; which > > prompted you the ask this question to begi

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Ramanpreet Singh
Aaawwe On Jul 5, 2012 7:10 PM, "Randy" wrote: > --- On Thu, 7/5/12, William Herrin wrote: > > > From: William Herrin > > Subject: Re: job screening question > > To: "Jon Lewis" > > Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" > > Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012, 6:43 PM > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Jon > > Lew

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Randy
--- On Thu, 7/5/12, William Herrin wrote: > From: William Herrin > Subject: Re: job screening question > To: "Randy" > Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" > Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012, 7:36 PM > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM, > Randy > wrote: > > How about another HR-Question: > > > > what do 0.0.0.0/1

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 7/5/12, Joe Greco wrote: > It'll get real interesting when Cisco's cloud database is breached and > some weakness in the password encryption is discovered. [snip] Will the users' passwords even matter, if a compromise of the database allows an intruder to make a system-wide change to end user

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Jeff Johnstone
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Joe Greco wrote: > > I see. > > > > Replace "local access" control with "let anyone on the internet > reconfigure= > > the thing". Whoever's idea it was should be p*ssed on, keelhauled, > drawn = > > and quartered, then burned at the stake. > > > It'll get real i

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
> > Add in a couple of 2 port bridges to reframe things, and it's quite > possible to run a layer 2 ethernet that is 10's of km long, and has > thousands of hosts on it. There was a day when 3000-4000 hosts on > a single layer 2 network at 10Mbps was living large. > The bridges terminate the co

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 5, 2012, at 8:05 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: >>> --- b...@herrin.us wrote: >>> From: William Herrin >>> 5. What is the reason for the 100m distance limit within an ethernet >

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 11:05:21PM -0400, William Herrin wrote: > Incidentally, 100m was the segment limit. IIRC the collision domain > comprising the longest wire distance between any two hosts was larger, > something around 200m for fast ethernet. Essentially, the collision

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: >> --- b...@herrin.us wrote: >> From: William Herrin >> >>> 5. What is the reason for the 100m distance limit within an ethernet >>> collision domain? >> >> What's an ethernet collision doma

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Diogo Montagner writes: > For screening questions (for 1st level filtering), IMO, the questions > has to be straight to the point, for example: > > 1) What is the LSA number for an external route in OSPF? > > This can have two answer: 5 or 7. So, I will accept if the candidate > answer 5, 7 or 5

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Jared Mauch
Agreed. I wouldn't know the answer to this nor do I care Not because it's not important and not because i couldn't figure it out, but because it's like asking me to implement the spec.. Now if you asked me about what a bgp marker or mp-nlri looks like I can answer that. Same goes for why ss

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Jared Mauch
Long long time ago I was asked a good one: is ospf TCP or udp. Thankfully I knew the answer. On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Diogo Montagner wrote: > 1) What is the LSA number for an external route in OSPF?

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, William Herrin wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >>> I would use questions such as the following: >>> >>> 1. How many end-sites can be numbered from a single /32. >>>(Correct an

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Randy wrote: > How about another HR-Question: > > what do 0.0.0.0/1 and 128.0.0.0.0/1 as static-routes accomplish? Override the dynamic (e.g. DHCP) default route. Often so you can implement a workaround that central Network Security wouldn't approve of. :-) Regar

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread David Edelman
On 7/6/12 2:10 AM, "Randy" wrote: >--- On Thu, 7/5/12, William Herrin wrote: > >> From: William Herrin >> Subject: Re: job screening question >> To: "Jon Lewis" >> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" >> Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012, 6:43 PM >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Jon >> Lewis >> wrote: >> >

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:09 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Randy wrote: >> --- On Thu, 7/5/12, William Herrin wrote: >>> The less precise answer, path MTU discovery breaks, is just >>> fine. >> >> Precisely! and if I understand correctly, a non-techinical person >> wit

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:17 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:05:01 -0600, Derek Andrew said: >> Isn't MTU discovery on IP and not TCP? > > AIX actually supported PMTUD for UDP. Not sure if it still does. Yes, it was > bizarro even for AIX. No, I'm not aware of any actua

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > > > --- b...@herrin.us wrote: > From: William Herrin > >> 5. What is the reason for the 100m distance limit within an ethernet >> collision domain? > > What's an ethernet collision domain? Seriously, when was the last time > you dealt wi

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:36:34 -0700, Leo Bicknell said: > If any employer thought that was useful knowledge for a job today I > would probably run away, as fast as possible! Only way I'd take that job is with both budget and authority to clean up the mess. However, those kind of things are usually

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread David Edelman
On 7/6/12 12:50 AM, "Scott Weeks" wrote: > > >--- b...@herrin.us wrote: >From: William Herrin > >> 5. What is the reason for the 100m distance limit within an >>ethernet collision domain? > >What's an ethernet collision domain? Seriously, when was the last time >you dealt with a half dupl

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Randy
--- On Thu, 7/5/12, William Herrin wrote: > From: William Herrin > Subject: Re: job screening question > To: "Jon Lewis" > Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" > Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012, 6:43 PM > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Jon > Lewis > wrote: > > You've never (much less recently) seen a customer

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Joe Greco
> I see. > > Replace "local access" control with "let anyone on the internet reconfigure= > the thing". Whoever's idea it was should be p*ssed on, keelhauled, drawn = > and quartered, then burned at the stake. It'll get real interesting when Cisco's cloud database is breached and some weakne

RE: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Keith Medcalf
Significantly faster and with far fewer bugs than the Cisco/Linksys as well. --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org > -Original Message- > From: David Hubbard [mailto:dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com] > Sent: Thursday, 05 July, 2012 10:56 > To: nanog@nano

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Diogo Montagner
Maybe I was not too clear with my answer. The main idea was to execute a first level of filtering to separate the candidates that put information in their CV that does not match with the basic requirements for the position. For example: - requirement: strong knowledge in routing protocols (list

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Howard
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM, David Coulson wrote: > What if they said "it would cause the generation of port-unreachable ICMP > packets to cease, and applications may hang until they timeout"? Not the > answer you're looking for, but not wrong either. > Umm, yeah, it is wrong. The question w

RE: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Keith Medcalf
I see. Replace "local access" control with "let anyone on the internet reconfigure the thing". Whoever's idea it was should be p*ssed on, keelhauled, drawn and quartered, then burned at the stake. --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org > -Original Messa

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: > You've never (much less recently) seen a customer misconfigure their end of > an ethernet handoff such that you end up with duplex mismatch? Granted, in > that case, distance is irrelevant...but it is half half-duplex ethernet :) If I was asking

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 08:32:46PM -0400, William Herrin wrote: > What's an ethernet collision domain? Seriously, when was the last time > you dealt with a half duplex ethernet? 5 segments 4 repeaters 3 segments with transmitting hosts 2 transit segments 1 collision domain I

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
> Can you post a sample of the "answers" you have received; which > prompted you the ask this question to begin with. I've been asking the question in phone interviews for months. I couldn't quote them properly but the answers were... discouraging. No one beyond ping and traceroute. I asked HR la

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I would use questions such as the following: 1. How many end-sites can be numbered from a single /32. (Correct answers: IPv4 - 1, IPv6 - 65,536) IPv6 - 16,777,216 to 268,435,456

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:05:01 -0600, Derek Andrew said: > Isn't MTU discovery on IP and not TCP? AIX actually supported PMTUD for UDP. Not sure if it still does. Yes, it was bizarro even for AIX. No, I'm not aware of any actual UDP applications that were able to do anything useful with this info

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Randy wrote: > --- On Thu, 7/5/12, William Herrin wrote: >> The less precise answer, path MTU discovery breaks, is just >> fine. > > Precisely! and if I understand correctly, a non-techinical person > within HR is expected to hear this answer and relay it to you? >

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Randy
apologies for top posting. Everyone, including me have addressed "what/how/by who wrt question at hand. Bill- Another poster has already asked this question- Can you post a sample of the "answers" you have received; which prompted you the ask this question to begin with. ./Randy --- On Thu, 7

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Weeks
--- b...@herrin.us wrote: From: William Herrin > 5. What is the reason for the 100m distance limit within an ethernet > collision domain? What's an ethernet collision domain? Seriously, when was the last time you dealt with a half duplex ethernet?

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread George Herbert
On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:32 PM, William Herrin wrote: > >> 5. What is the reason for the 100m distance limit within an ethernet >> collision domain? > > What's an ethernet collision domain? Seriously, when was the last time > you dealt with a half duplex ethernet? > Last time I built a clu

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I would use questions such as the following: > > 1. How many end-sites can be numbered from a single /32. > (Correct answers: IPv4 - 1, IPv6 - 65,536) IPv6 - 16,777,216 to 268,435,456 :p > 5. What is the reason for t

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
I would use questions such as the following: 1. How many end-sites can be numbered from a single /32. (Correct answers: IPv4 - 1, IPv6 - 65,536) 2. In what circumstance might you need to use IPSEC to secure OSPF instead of MD5 authentication? 3. How m

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Jon Lewis
He'll have to come up with another weedout question, like "what's a /27?" I'm constantly amazed/disappointed when we interview candidates for a senior Linux admin job and they just don't know modern networking at all. Even better question, with multiple right answers, "how many IPs are in a /3

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Weeks
--- ja...@thebaughers.com wrote: From: Jason Baugher Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) --- Yeah, that. But how do you get those folks through the HR process to you, so yo

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Mike Hale
Something tells me you're suddenly going to find yourself with an influx of correct answers... On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:18 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Derek Andrew wrote: >>> > You implement a firewall on which you block all ICMP packets. What >>> > part of the TC

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Jason Baugher
Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) Jason On 7/5/2012 5:18 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Derek Andrew wrote: You implement a firewall on which you block all ICMP packets. What part o

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Weeks
--- diogo.montag...@gmail.com wrote:\ From: Diogo Montagner For screening questions (for 1st level filtering), IMO, the questions has to be straight to the point, for example: 1) What is the LSA number for an external route in OSPF? This can have two answer: 5 or 7. So, I will accept if the ca

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Diogo Montagner
This type o question where the candidate can elaborate the answer should be asked by a techinal interviewer. For screening questions (for 1st level filtering), IMO, the questions has to be straight to the point, for example: 1) What is the LSA number for an external route in OSPF? This can have

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Randy
--- On Thu, 7/5/12, William Herrin wrote: > From: William Herrin > Subject: Re: job screening question > To: "Derek Andrew" > Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" > Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012, 3:18 PM > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Derek > Andrew > wrote: > >> > You implement a firewall on which you bl

RE: Domain changer statistics by ASN

2012-07-05 Thread Frank Bulk
Yeah, I see the singular one for our AS. =) We've know it for some time, but older lady is somewhat reluctant to spend money on getting someone to look at it. I spoke to her today and she has two machines, one new, one old. She's going to turn the old one off and hope that we won't see any mo

RE: Domain changer statistics by ASN

2012-07-05 Thread Eric Wieling
July 2nd might be the most accurate. For our customers, July 3rd, 4th, and today have been low volume days because of the holiday. I suspect the same is true for many providers in the USA. -Original Message- From: Andrew Fried [mailto:andrew.fr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05,

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Derek Andrew wrote: >> > You implement a firewall on which you block all ICMP packets. What >> > part of the TCP protocol (not IP in general, TCP specifically) >> > malfunctions as a result? > > Isn't MTU discovery on IP and not TCP? If you want to overthink the qu

Re: cisco.com's IPv6 sites have a routing loop

2012-07-05 Thread Javier Henderson
On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > Two of Cisco's IPv6 sites, www-v6.cisco.com and www.ipv6.cisco.com, are in a > routing loop: > > 13 10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.sjc2.he.net (2001:470:0:1b4::1) 84.519 ms > 82.710 ms 81.033 ms > 14 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.pao1.he.net (2001:47

Re: Domain changer statistics by ASN

2012-07-05 Thread Andrew Fried
We have data going back to November 8, 2011. Generating a report of over 2,000 ASNs, by day, would be too large an attachment for NANOG. I'll produce a follow up report in less than 3 hours with data from July 5th. Would that help? Andy Andrew Fried andrew.fr...@gmail.com On 7/5/12 5:42 PM,

RE: Domain changer statistics by ASN

2012-07-05 Thread Eric Wieling
A report for a day other than the 4th of July would be very helpful. -Original Message- From: Andrew Fried [mailto:andrew.fr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:26 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Domain changer statistics by ASN As many of you probably know, the replacement nam

Domain changer statistics by ASN

2012-07-05 Thread Andrew Fried
As many of you probably know, the replacement nameservers operated on behalf of the FBI for the Domain Changer Working Group (DCWG) are scheduled to go down Sunday morning (GMT). Yesterday, July 4th, was a holiday in the US, and as such the US based activity hitting the DCWG nameservers was unchar

cisco.com's IPv6 sites have a routing loop

2012-07-05 Thread Frank Bulk
Two of Cisco's IPv6 sites, www-v6.cisco.com and www.ipv6.cisco.com, are in a routing loop: 13 10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.sjc2.he.net (2001:470:0:1b4::1) 84.519 ms 82.710 ms 81.033 ms 14 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.pao1.he.net (2001:470:0:32::2) 81.821 ms 81.826 ms 83.413 ms 15 ciscosystems.

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Weeks
-- Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" Subject: Re: job screening question Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 15:05:01 -0600 Isn't MTU discovery on IP and not TCP? -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_discovery scott

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Derek Andrew
Isn't MTU discovery on IP and not TCP? On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Oliver Garraux wrote: > Seems fairly straightforward to me. It'll break path MTU discovery. > > I would hope someone applying for an "IP expert" position would know that. > > Could HR be mangling the question or something?

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Andriy Bilous
I suspect it'll be "Corporations control Internet and our private life" well before tomorrow. Domestic operators do that for ages with their branded routers and AFAIK DOCSIS is unimaginable without (part of) this functionality. I went berzerk when discovered such a checkbox in my home router, two d

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Ray Soucy
He might be thinking of the MMS adjustment as a result of PMTUD, which most people forget about BTW, but I agree: PMTUD isn't about TCP, so tossing TCP in there just makes it a very odd question. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Terry Baranski wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM, William Herri

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Ray Soucy
I think if your goal is to see if they know that your shouldn't blindly filter ICMP for IPv6, and you're specifically looking for knowledge of PMTUD, then a better question would be "Please list the problems that could occur if all ICMPv6 traffic is blocked between two host systems." Which should

RE: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Terry Baranski
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM, William Herrin wrote: > No, path MTU discovery is the answer I'm fishing for. The "TCP specifically" part of the question confused the heck out of me. PMTUD is an IP function in every way as far as I'm concerned. (If you're saying that the way it's actually coded m

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Ray Soucy
Looks like they've modified their privacy policy in the last few days, but from what I understand it was originally pretty bad, including the collecting users' history and: [...] right to shut down the users' account if it finds that they have used the service for “obscene, pornographic, or offens

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Thomas D Nadeau
dd-wrt or openwrt are your friend on those devices. 8) On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Mario Eirea wrote: > Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its > Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers. > > http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-use

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 01:45:54PM -0400, Derek Ivey wrote: > This is exactly the issue comcast6.net is currently experiencing :). > They seem to be blocking ICMP completely and that is causing my HE > IPv6 tunnel to be unable to access their site from a browser. I've recently came across a duals

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 10:26:22AM -0700, Roy wrote: > Remember OpenTime is only for people who want their system clocks to > ignore leap seconds. I don't include myself among the possible users of > OpenTime. Obviously you need a machine time, which is monotonous, high-resolution (you don't

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Jeff Johnstone
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Joe Greco wrote: > > Technical users could always just flash DD-WRT onto the device and = > > replace the Linksys/Cisco firmware; then you have a much more robust = > > system without any big brother stuff. > > Or Cisco could just omit the big brother stuff. > > T

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Joe Greco
> Technical users could always just flash DD-WRT onto the device and = > replace the Linksys/Cisco firmware; then you have a much more robust = > system without any big brother stuff. Or Cisco could just omit the big brother stuff. This is not a technological failure. In fact, automatic updates

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 01:07:04PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: > This is a local/states rights issue imho :) AZ ignores DST and as a result > I never know what time it is there ;) AZ actually tried DST for a year, and then came to a couple of conclusions: 1) The state with the high

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Tyler Haske
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Roy wrote: > On 7/5/2012 10:42 AM, Steve Allen wrote: >> >> On Thu 2012-07-05T10:26:22 -0700, Roy hath writ: >>> >>> Lets see. There have been nine leap seconds in 20 years. So at the >>> start of the next century the difference will probably be less than a >>> mi

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Grant Ridder
Keep in mind, that to receive the update, the router has to be connected to the internet. So routers that are not connected to the internet by design will be unaffected. -Grant On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM, David Hubbard < dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote: > Technical users could always

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Roy
On 7/5/2012 10:42 AM, Steve Allen wrote: On Thu 2012-07-05T10:26:22 -0700, Roy hath writ: Lets see. There have been nine leap seconds in 20 years. So at the start of the next century the difference will probably be less than a minute There is no predicting how large the decadal variations in

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread George Herbert
On Jul 5, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > And, by the way, the deformations and exchanges of angular momentum > that drive Earth rotation variations are probably the best understood > global geophysical processes there are. Absolutely no magic is > required. Not the tectonic o

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 09:33:05AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: >>> >>> I'm only at (aproxamately) 42.28755874876601 north. Once you go near 60 >>> north the value changes significantly. >>> >>> There is a band of latitudes where it does mak

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Derek Ivey
This is exactly the issue comcast6.net is currently experiencing :). They seem to be blocking ICMP completely and that is causing my HE IPv6 tunnel to be unable to access their site from a browser. On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:41 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Darius Jahan

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2012-07-05T10:26:22 -0700, Roy hath writ: > Lets see. There have been nine leap seconds in 20 years. So at the > start of the next century the difference will probably be less than a minute There is no predicting how large the decadal variations in LOD will be, but the difference should b

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Darius Jahandarie wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Oliver Garraux wrote: >> Seems fairly straightforward to me. It'll break path MTU discovery. > > Since Bill said "(not IP in general, TCP specifically)", I don't think > PMTUD breaking is what he's looking

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread George Herbert
On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Darius Jahandarie wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Oliver Garraux wrote: >> Seems fairly straightforward to me. It'll break path MTU discovery. > > Since Bill said "(not IP in general, TCP specifically)", I don't think > PMTUD breaking is what he's look

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread David Coulson
Bill- So, I'm curious, and others probably are too. What's the most popular 'wrong' answer? :) David On 7/5/12 1:35 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM, David Coulson wrote: That's a horrible question for a non-technical HR person to pose to a candidate - It's impossi

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM, David Coulson wrote: > That's a horrible question for a non-technical HR person to pose to a > candidate - It's impossible for the candidate to ask clarifying questions to > make sure they understand what you are looking for, plus you may have a > strong candidate w

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Nick Olsen
+1 I have people waive the "I'm Cisco Certified" flag in my face all the time. Then proceed to ask me if we have a T1. To the point that it's no longer a valuable achievement in my eyes. I'm certified to perform CPR in the state of Florida... I should go apply for a surgeon position at the loca

Re: ipv6forum.com/nav6.org contacts

2012-07-05 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2012-07-05 19:11 , Wouter Prins wrote: > hi all, > > Is there anyone active on this list who is actively working on/at > ipv6forum.com/nav6.org? > I tried to contact both administrative and technical contacts listed > under the domain, but no response so far. Latif Ladid is the right person f

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Roy
On 7/5/2012 5:54 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote: Rather than discussing the pros and cons of UTC and leap seconds, just create your own time system. You could call it OpenTime. OpenTime will use NTP servers where the Stratum 1 servers are synced to some time standard that doesn't care about leap seco

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Dave Hart
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 17:22 UTC, Scott Howard wrote: > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > >> The NTP daemon could still provide a configuration option to not >> implement leap-seconds locally, or ignore the leap-second >> announcement received. So the admin can make a tradeo

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Darius Jahandarie
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Oliver Garraux wrote: > Seems fairly straightforward to me.  It'll break path MTU discovery. Since Bill said "(not IP in general, TCP specifically)", I don't think PMTUD breaking is what he's looking for. I'd venture more along the lines of lack of Destination Unr

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread James M Keller
On 7/5/2012 1:11 PM, Oliver Garraux wrote: > Seems fairly straightforward to me. It'll break path MTU discovery. > > I would hope someone applying for an "IP expert" position would know that. > > Could HR be mangling the question or something? > > Oliver > > - >

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 01:02:08PM -0400, William Herrin wrote: > You implement a firewall on which you block all ICMP packets. What > part of the TCP protocol (not IP in general, TCP specifically) > malfunctions as a result? > > My questions for you are: > > 1. As an expert

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread David Coulson
That's a horrible question for a non-technical HR person to pose to a candidate - It's impossible for the candidate to ask clarifying questions to make sure they understand what you are looking for, plus you may have a strong candidate who gets it wrong (for whatever reason), but if they were t

ipv6forum.com/nav6.org contacts

2012-07-05 Thread Wouter Prins
hi all, Is there anyone active on this list who is actively working on/at ipv6forum.com/nav6.org? I tried to contact both administrative and technical contacts listed under the domain, but no response so far. Please unicast me in case you do. :) Thanks in advance! -- Wouter Prins w...@null0.nl

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Oliver Garraux
Seems fairly straightforward to me. It'll break path MTU discovery. I would hope someone applying for an "IP expert" position would know that. Could HR be mangling the question or something? Oliver - Oliver Garraux Check out my blog: www.GetSimpliciti.com/

RE: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Thomas York
My answer to that questionwould be "No..why would I ever blanket block ICMP? If I'm that stupid, I shouldn't be deploying firewalls at all." I also assume I wouldn't get the job after answering that... Thomas York -Original Message- From: William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us] Sent: Thu

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 09:33:05AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> > > > > I'm only at (aproxamately) 42.28755874876601 north. Once you go near 60 > > north the value changes significantly. > > > > There is a band of latitudes where it does make more sense. > > Why punish the rest of us to acco

job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
Hi folks, I gave my HR folks a screening question to ask candidates for an IP expert position. I've gotten some "unexpected" answers, so I want to do a sanity check and make sure I'm not asking something unreasonable. And by "unexpected" I don't mean naively incorrect answers, I mean oh-my-God-how

RE: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread David Hubbard
Technical users could always just flash DD-WRT onto the device and replace the Linksys/Cisco firmware; then you have a much more robust system without any big brother stuff.

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 03:51:40PM +, Mario Eirea wrote: > Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its > Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers. Perhaps going right to the source would be educational: http://home.ci

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Edward Salonia
Let's remember, this is regarding Cisco's consumer grade routers (formerly linksys) which are primarily intended for connecting small networks (homes, offices) to the internet over some type of broadband connection. Can they be used. On a network with no internet connectivity? Sure. But this, a

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Sean Harlow
On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:42, Jon Lewis wrote: > Routers are sometimes used on networks that don't have internet connectivity > [by design]. This seems amazingly short-sighted for a company that's been > around selling routing gear as long as cisco. Not to defend Cisco's idiotic decision, but in t

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