Re: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Jeff Tantsura
Hi, All modern routers support mapping from IGMPv2 to PIM SSM, all static, some others thru DNS, etc Regards, Jeff On May 3, 2012, at 12:34 PM, "Nick Hilliard" wrote: > On 03/05/2012 21:00, Greg Shepherd wrote: >> Sure, but GLOP predated SSM, and was really only an interim fix for >> the pres

Re: NUD- ipV6.

2012-05-03 Thread Mohacsi Janos
Hi, Not useful for router-router link. However it is very useful for first-hop redundancy in data center environment - if you cannot implement VRRP for some reason. Best Regards, Janos Mohacsi Head of HBONE+ project Network Engineer, Director Network and Multimedia NIIF/HUNGARNET, HUN

Re: IPv6 aggregation tool

2012-05-03 Thread Jason Hellenthal
The Net::CIDR package contains functions that manipulate lists of IP netblocks expressed in CIDR notation. The Net::CIDR functions handle both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. WWW: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Net-CIDR/ On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 04:58:27PM -0400, chip wrote: > Looks like the most recent Ne

RE: Network diagram app that shows realtime link utilizatin

2012-05-03 Thread Mike Devlin
Check out InterMapper (http://www.intermapper.com/) Its java based, but works real well

Re: IPv6 aggregation tool

2012-05-03 Thread Rafael Rodriguez
Found this tool that works perfectly. http://zwitterion.org/software/aggregate-cidr-addresses/aggregate-cidr-addresses Hoping this'll help someone else here on the list. Thanks! On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Rafael Rodriguez wrote: > Hi list, > > I can't seem to find any tools that'll aggreg

Re: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread PC
And I've seen plenty of gear without SSM support: Some of the larger offenders: Juniper Clusters. Cisco ASA Some Linksys managed switches (no IGMP snooping support for it). I really wouldn't think it'd be that hard to implement SSM if the equipment had functional ASM support, but that's a story f

Re: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Greg Shepherd
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 03/05/2012 21:00, Greg Shepherd wrote: >> Sure, but GLOP predated SSM, and was really only an interim fix for >> the presumed need of mcast address assignments. GLOP only gives you a >> /24 for each ASN where SSM gives you a /8 for every un

Re: NUD- ipV6.

2012-05-03 Thread Tom Hill
On 03/05/12 16:07, S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram) wrote: Hi Everyone, Would like to hear from you on the significance of IPV6 "Neighbor Unreachability detection (NUD)" specifically on the Router-Router link. While quick failure detection protocols like BFD are already present to detect the liveli

Re: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 03/05/2012 21:00, Greg Shepherd wrote: > Sure, but GLOP predated SSM, and was really only an interim fix for > the presumed need of mcast address assignments. GLOP only gives you a > /24 for each ASN where SSM gives you a /8 for every unique unicast > address you have along with vastly superior

Re: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Greg Shepherd
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:42 PM, wrote: > On Thu, 03 May 2012 13:38:14 -0700, Greg Shepherd said: >> > Make sense? >> >> Sure, for v6. :) > > Does it make sense to be planning new deployments for anythign else? ;) > > (Hint - if your reaction is "but we're not v6-capable", who's fault is that?) T

Re: IPv6 aggregation tool

2012-05-03 Thread chip
Looks like the most recent NetAddr::IP perl module will do it: http://search.cpan.org/~miker/NetAddr-IP-4.059/IP.pm#EXPORT_OK Take a look at the Compact function. I think that's what will do it. --chip On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Rafael Rodriguez wrote: > Hi list, > > I can't seem to fin

Re: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 03 May 2012 13:38:14 -0700, Greg Shepherd said: > > Make sense? > > Sure, for v6. :) Does it make sense to be planning new deployments for anythign else? ;) (Hint - if your reaction is "but we're not v6-capable", who's fault is that?) pgpI1LRac8WuO.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Greg Shepherd
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Simpler solution... Just set the P flag and use your unicast prefix as part > of the group ID. > > For example, if your unicast prefix is 2001:db8:f00d::/48, you could use: > > ff4e:2001:db8:f00d:: > > Where is any number of your choosing up t

IPv6 aggregation tool

2012-05-03 Thread Rafael Rodriguez
Hi list, I can't seem to find any tools that'll aggregate a list of IPv6 prefixes. Used to 'aggregate' for IPv4, looking for something similar for IPv6. Thanks!

Re: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Owen DeLong
Simpler solution... Just set the P flag and use your unicast prefix as part of the group ID. For example, if your unicast prefix is 2001:db8:f00d::/48, you could use: ff4e:2001:db8:f00d:: Where is any number of your choosing up to 64 bits, but recommended to be ≤32 bits. Make sense? Owen O

Re: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Greg Shepherd
Sure, but GLOP predated SSM, and was really only an interim fix for the presumed need of mcast address assignments. GLOP only gives you a /24 for each ASN where SSM gives you a /8 for every unique unicast address you have along with vastly superior security and network simplicity. Greg On Thu, Ma

RE: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Quentin Carpent
You can also use the glop IP addressing: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3180 Quentin -Original Message- From: Greg Shepherd [mailto:gjs...@gmail.com] Sent: Thu 5/3/2012 9:35 PM To: Philip Lavine Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: mulcast assignments Why do you think you need an assigned mcast b

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Yep. What you experienced is exactly what I expected. And yes, sms MAY make it when a call will not. In SAR demos we tell people, lost in the woods, if cell doesn't work, send a message, hold the phone as high as you can and slowly move it a couple feet back and forth. I do lots of public servi

Re: mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Greg Shepherd
Why do you think you need an assigned mcast block? All inter domain mcast uses source trees only, so just use SSM and you don't need address assignments. Greg On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Philip Lavine wrote: >    How do I get a registered multicast block? >

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Luke S. Crawford wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 10:59:47AM -0400, Brandt, Ralph wrote: >> One of the first things cellular companies can do is stop overselling >> cellular.  The second is end or raise the price significantly on >> unlimited plans, both voice and

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Luke S. Crawford
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 10:59:47AM -0400, Brandt, Ralph wrote: > One of the first things cellular companies can do is stop overselling > cellular. The second is end or raise the price significantly on > unlimited plans, both voice and data. Go to what the landlines called, > USS, that is you pay

mulcast assignments

2012-05-03 Thread Philip Lavine
   How do I get a registered multicast block?

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Sean Harlow
On May 3, 2012, at 14:37, Brandt, Ralph wrote: > Sean, do you know anyone who has successfully used either to place a > call? Not to my knowledge. Due to some family in government I'm sure I know someone who's authorized for one or the other, but I can't say the topic's ever come up. I'm ju

RE: Cellphones and Audio (was Ghost Click, though I got no idea why)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
I wanted to mention one other thing here. In addition to my day job I am a ham radio operator and a IMT COML. I deal with UNDERSTANDABILITY. I sympathize with you on getting bamboozled by the family, have 3 sisters and two daughters. But in the real world of communications 2.3 - 2.5 Khz filter

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Mike Hale
Absolutely. Again, it depends on what service you use, what contention the provider gives you, and so forth. If you go with a quality provider and a good service plan, you will not get bumped off in favor of someone else. Of course, you're paying much more for service like that, but you really d

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Sean Harlow
On May 3, 2012, at 14:19, Jay Ashworth wrote: > {citation-needed} I don't have any numbers to offer, but given the near universality of cellular phones these days among the adult population I could easily see a majority going for cellular. Car accidents, house fires, and a lot of other types o

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Sean, do you know anyone who has successfully used either to place a call? I think the weak spot is when the tower overloads nobody can dial anything, including the bypass.. Ralph Brandt Communications Engineer HP Enterprise Services Telephone +1 717.506.0802 FAX +1 717.506.4358 Email ralph.bra

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Satcoms are the panacea for every problem until you try them. They too have limited numbers of channels, far lower than cell. Check the fiasco in Haiti when sat phones were handed out and it took hours to make calls. Sometimes two tin cans and a string are better Ralph Brandt -Ori

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
I spent a week in a PEMA conference last fall. One of the presentations was from two ILECS and 1 CLEC. The answer we got was, yes we do but no we can't. Got it? What I understand after grilling the 5 reps from one company and three for the other, is they have priority of who can make a call but

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Ralph Brandt" > The problem with this is, MOST 911 CALLS ARE CELLULAR or soon will be. {citation-needed} Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think

RE: Cellphones and Audio (was Ghost Click, though I got no idea why)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
As one involved in emergency services I don't gave a rats whether you can't tell one voice from another. I do care if someone who is having a fire, accident, cardiac episode or stroke can get through. The cell companies are worrying about your whim and not the safety. Ralph Brandt -Or

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
The problem with this is, MOST 911 CALLS ARE CELLULAR or soon will be. Ralph Brandt PA -Original Message- From: Tei [mailto:oscar.vi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:15 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click) Perhaps cell towers can

Re: Cellphones and Audio (was Ghost Click, though I got no idea why)

2012-05-03 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 5/3/12 10:29 , Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Adam Atkinson" > >> Well, just the above seems like enough that you'd think there'd be more >> (justified) grumbling that thanks to a choice made many many decades ago >> it's harder to distinguish young or female spea

Re: Cellphones and Audio (was Ghost Click, though I got no idea why)

2012-05-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Adam Atkinson" > Well, just the above seems like enough that you'd think there'd be more > (justified) grumbling that thanks to a choice made many many decades ago > it's harder to distinguish young or female speakers than it is adult > male ones. Maybe there

Re: Peering in Brazil

2012-05-03 Thread Mehmet Akcin
On May 3, 2012, at 2:28 AM, James Bensley wrote: > I'm new to the PTT IXs so does anyone have any recommendations about > any aspect here, support horror stories, reason to prefer one location > for peering over another etc? I see Level3 are in the PTT Sao Paulo > location, and we have access to

Re: Cellphones and Audio (was Ghost Click, though I got no idea why)

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Atkinson
Jay Ashworth wrote: Googling "PCM adult male voice", "4kHz adult male" and similar isn't finding me anything. Was I told nonsense? [snippage] What might be the case is that you'd have more trouble *distinguishing* amongst women, or between women and children, because the tones necessary f

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Sean Harlow
On May 3, 2012, at 12:26, Mike Hale wrote: > Don't cell companies already provide over-ride codes to various > federal agencies to obtain emergency priority access to cell service? That would be the Nationwide Wireless Priority Service. Authorized users can dial *272 to get priority on supporte

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Mike Hale
That's precisely where SatCom enters the picture. Cell companies aren't ever going to undersell their bandwidth...that simply isn't profitable. SatCom is one of the best ways to plan for communications outages during times of crisis, especially if you choose a provider that's outside of your area

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Mike Hale
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Tei wrote: ** Perhaps cell towers can be made to fail sooner, and enter some ** emergency mode where only 911 calls get service. ** ** ** ** -- Don't cell companies already provide over-ride codes to various federal agencies to obtain emergency priority access to c

Re: Cellphones and Audio (was Ghost Click, though I got no idea why)

2012-05-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:01:01 -0400, Jay Ashworth said: > In general, though, intelligibility comes from the higher frequencies, > and 3.4kHz is *usually* high enough. What might be the case is that you'd > have more trouble *distinguishing* amongst women, or between women and > children, because

The Compexity Factor (was VoIP v POTS)

2012-05-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Ralph Brandt" > Yes, those things happen. But there are several such failure points in > the POTS system and hundreds in VOIP. I support VOIP, ISDN etc. But I > know all too well the failure points... And here, Ralph puts his finger on what has always been m

RE: POTS Ending (Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Connecticut has such a bill pending. My suggestion to people there, Get a ham radio license and a 2 meter transceiver with a car adapter... Ralph Brandt York PA -Original Message- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:29 PM To: Frank B

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Tei
Perhaps cell towers can be made to fail sooner, and enter some emergency mode where only 911 calls get service. -- -- ℱin del ℳensaje.

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Yes, those things happen. But there are several such failure points in the POTS system and hundreds in VOIP. I support VOIP, ISDN etc. But I know all too well the failure points... Ralph Brandt -Original Message- From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02,

NUD- ipV6.

2012-05-03 Thread S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)
Hi Everyone, Would like to hear from you on the significance of IPV6 "Neighbor Unreachability detection (NUD)" specifically on the Router-Router link. While quick failure detection protocols like BFD are already present to detect the liveliness of the neighbor, does the providers/operato

RE: VoIP/Mobile Codecs (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
I am not worried about the voice quality as long as it is understandable. What I am concerned about is, "Can someone who needs help get through? Ralph Brandt -Original Message- From: Jeroen van Aart [mailto:jer...@mompl.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:40 PM To: NANOG list Subje

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
"I also am concerned about 911 service. When dialing 911 recently from my mobile, I should have dialed it from my home phone as I was routed a few times to get to the right fire dispatch team." I am a "second responder", a member of a Search and Rescue team. The reason for "second" is because we

Re: Cellphones and Audio (was Ghost Click, though I got no idea why)

2012-05-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Adam Atkinson" > Jay Ashworth wrote: > > Now, those codecs *are* specially tuned for spoken word -- if you > > try to stuff music down them, it's not gonna work very well at all... > > It was claimed to me many years ago that the 4kHz cutoff used in POTS > s

Re: [lacnog] Peering in Brazil

2012-05-03 Thread Rubens Kuhl
> I am looking for any guidance and advice people have regarding first > time peerings in South America. Currently I am doing some work with a > content provider in North America and I want to get them better > routers into South America, to South American ISPs. I am looking to > get them an interc

Peering in Brazil

2012-05-03 Thread James Bensley
Hi all, I have posted this to the LacNOG list but it seems pretty quite and it involves North America also, so I hope no one minds me reposting here also; I am looking for any guidance and advice people have regarding first time peerings in South America. Currently I am doing some work with a con

Re: Cellphones and Audio (was Ghost Click, though I got no idea why)

2012-05-03 Thread Robert Bonomi
Adam Atkinson wrote; > Jay Ashworth wrote: > > Now, those codecs *are* specially tuned for spoken word -- if you try > > to stuff music down them, it's not gonna work very well at all... > > It was claimed to me many years ago that the 4kHz cutoff used in POTS > serves women and children less wel