Re: What do you think about the Juniper MX line?

2011-06-25 Thread Richard Patterson
We've deployed the MX480s as PEs in multiple countries, and have been pretty damn happy with them for the most part. Any issues we've seen (largely around interface counters/statistics etc) can be chalked up to an older JunOS version that we're running. The CLI is shiny, and easy to use, and ne

Re: What do you think about the Juniper MX line?

2011-06-25 Thread Howard Hart
We have a couple installed as our edge routers. Pluses - solid as a rock, easy to administer, and will take some extremely high packet rates for relatively low cost (important for us since we use them for VoIP traffic). If you're approaching the capacity of a 1GB uplink, I highly recommend th

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote: > At least here in JCPL territory (northern NJ), closed transition is frowned > upon. Too much risk, they think. They are correct, really, but the risk is > mostly yours. If you lock to the utility out-of-phase, you will surely lose > and

RE: What do you think about the Juniper MX line?

2011-06-25 Thread Ryan Finnesey
I would love to know the same I am looking at the MX line as well for a new network build-out Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Chris [mailto:behrnetwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:29 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: What do you think about the Juniper MX line? Hell

RE: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Alex Rubenstein
> It ismy understanding also that most commercial grade gensets have > built into the ATS logic that when utility power comesback online, that > the transfer back to utility power is coordinated with the ATS driving > the generator until both frequency and phases are within a user > specified rang

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Michael DeMan
On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote: > On 6/25/2011 7:43 PM, Paul Graydon wrote: >> Take a guess what the datacenter our equipment is currently hosted in uses. >> Yet another reason to be glad of a datacenter move that's coming up. >> > Why can't we just all use DC and be happy

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Michael DeMan
It ismy understanding also that most commercial grade gensets have built into the ATS logic that when utility power comesback online, that the transfer back to utility power is coordinated with the ATS driving the generator until both frequency and phases are within a user specified range? - mi

Re: AS and advertisen questions

2011-06-25 Thread Randy Bush
> Can we use same AS to advertise different networks in different location? > > We would like to use Seattle as production network and New York as testing > > eg: > Seattle: network 66.49.130.0/24 > > New York: network 67.55.129.0/24 and ipv6 network. you have not made clear whether ny and sea

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Seth Mattinen" > On 6/25/2011 15:12, Leo Bicknell wrote: > > I have never seen a generator that syncs to the utility for live, no > > break transfer. I'm sure such a thing exists, but that sounds crazy > > dangerous to me. Generators sync to each other, not t

Re: AS and advertisen questions

2011-06-25 Thread David Swafford
Yep, we do it that way. We basically treat each of our datacenter's as their own entity, using separate space for each, but all with the same AS #. What Joel mentioned is going to be the major catch, in that for each of the two disconnected AS's to accept the opposite sites routes, you'd need to

Re: AS and advertisen questions

2011-06-25 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jun 25, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Deric Kwok wrote: > Hi > > Can we use same AS to advertise different networks in different location? > > We would like to use Seattle as production network and New York as testing > > eg: > Seattle: network 66.49.130.0/24 > > New York: network 67.55.129.0/24 and i

Re: AS and advertisen questions

2011-06-25 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Jun 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Deric Kwok" wrote: > > Hi > > Can we use same AS to advertise different networks in different location? > > We would like to use Seattle as production network and New York as testing > > eg: > Seattle: network 66.49.130.0/24 > > New York: network 67.55.129.0/24 and ipv6 n

AS and advertisen questions

2011-06-25 Thread Deric Kwok
Hi Can we use same AS to advertise different networks in different location? We would like to use Seattle as production network and New York as testing eg: Seattle: network 66.49.130.0/24 New York: network 67.55.129.0/24 and ipv6 network. Thank you

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 6/25/2011 16:43, Paul Graydon wrote: > On 6/25/2011 12:32 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >> >> For open and closed transitions you'll most certainly want to sync to >> utility to transition between the two. For the delayed transition model >> it'll stop at the intermediate "open" point for a configura

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote: > On 6/25/2011 7:43 PM, Paul Graydon wrote: >> Take a guess what the datacenter our equipment is currently hosted in uses. >> Yet another reason to be glad of a datacenter move that's coming up. >> > Why can't we just all use DC and be happy?

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Andrew D Kirch
On 6/25/2011 7:43 PM, Paul Graydon wrote: Take a guess what the datacenter our equipment is currently hosted in uses. Yet another reason to be glad of a datacenter move that's coming up. Why can't we just all use DC and be happy?

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Paul Graydon
On 6/25/2011 12:32 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 6/25/2011 15:12, Leo Bicknell wrote: I have never seen a generator that syncs to the utility for live, no break transfer. I'm sure such a thing exists, but that sounds crazy dangerous to me. Generators sync to each other, not the utility. Most o

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
Generators all stay in sync. Generator owners have expensive devices that sync the phase before the generator is connected to the grid. Once a generator is connected to the gird, it will stay in sync - in fact that is why they have the expensive devices to make sure that they are in sync before

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 6/25/2011 15:12, Leo Bicknell wrote: > > I have never seen a generator that syncs to the utility for live, no > break transfer. I'm sure such a thing exists, but that sounds crazy > dangerous to me. Generators sync to each other, not the utility. > Most of these come in open, delayed, or clo

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 06:29:14PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > I believe the answer to that question is contained here: > > http://yarchive.net/car/rv/generator_synchronization.html [1] I wouldn't use a colo that had to sync their generator to the grid. That is a bad desi

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Pete Carah
On 06/25/2011 03:52 PM, Jason Roysdon wrote: > On 06/25/2011 08:06 AM, William Herrin wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: >>> Perhaps I read the piece incorrectly, but it certainly sounded to *me* like >>> the part that was hard was not hitting 60.00, but *staying in sy

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Jason Roysdon
On 06/25/2011 02:02 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Jason Roysdon" > >> That's what they're doing here, opting to skip "patching" the time >> error. They're not ignoring frequency altogether, but rather only >> minding that aspects that have to do with grid stabi

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Jason Roysdon" > That's what they're doing here, opting to skip "patching" the time > error. They're not ignoring frequency altogether, but rather only > minding that aspects that have to do with grid stability, not your alarm > clock. This is for the better

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Jason Roysdon
On 06/25/2011 08:06 AM, William Herrin wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: >> Perhaps I read the piece incorrectly, but it certainly sounded to *me* like >> the part that was hard was not hitting 60.00, but *staying in sync with >> others*... > > Way I read it, when th

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 25, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Jason Roysdon wrote: > > On 06/25/2011 07:49 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Jussi Peltola" >> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 06:29:14PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: This is gonna be fun, no? >>> >>> If your definition of fun is

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Jason Roysdon
On 06/25/2011 07:49 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Jussi Peltola" > >> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 06:29:14PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: >>> This is gonna be fun, no? >> >> If your definition of fun is spending a year watching an old microwave >> clock lose or gain

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Perhaps I read the piece incorrectly, but it certainly sounded to *me* like > the part that was hard was not hitting 60.00, but *staying in sync with > others*... Way I read it, when they occasionally run at 59.9hz for a few hours (and accor

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Jussi Peltola" > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 06:29:14PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > This is gonna be fun, no? > > If your definition of fun is spending a year watching an old microwave > clock lose or gain a few minutes. > > I don't see how this has anything

Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 153

2011-06-25 Thread Mickey Fox
Failure to sync = dirty power and a horribly corrupted sine wave. A bit more than watching an old microwave. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > Send NANOG mailing list submissions to >nanog@nanog.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >https://ma

Looking for Contact at Network Solutions

2011-06-25 Thread Mickey Fox
Good Morning List: I'm looking for a POC at NetSol because, after 16 years as a customer, we have a seriously pooched DNS issue and I can't get any capable support over the phone. While I am intermittently receiving email on this domain, I seem able to send it, and I am uncertain that I will rece

What do you think about the Juniper MX line?

2011-06-25 Thread Chris
Hello, I've been doing some research into using the MX line of Juniper routers and was interested in hearing people's experiences (the good, bad, and ugly). What do you like about them? What do you dislike? Where are you putting them in your network? Where are you not putting them? Why? What other