Re: Peering in Latin America

2009-10-31 Thread ALEJANDRO ESQUIVEL RODRIGUEZ
Ken,,   Please contact the following persons:   For RACSA:  Luis Kopper (kop...@racsa.co.cr)   For ICE:    Oscar Romero (orom...@ice.go.cr) Luis and Oscar understand BGP and others terms about SP. Regards!! - Mensaje original - De: Ken Gilmour Fecha: Sábado, 31 de Octubre de 2009,

Re: Peering in Latin America

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Lyon
You may want to double check your verbage when talking with providers. Transit = you pay for the bandwidth. Peering = free and is a mutual agreement between the two providers. Sounds like you want transit. I'd stop using the "peering" word as it may be confusing people, including your provide

Re: Peering in Latin America

2009-10-31 Thread Ken Gilmour
2009/10/31 Seth Mattinen : > Ken Gilmour wrote: >> >> We have BGP4 networks in other locations (IPv4 and IPv6) - Costa Rica >> being one of the places that don't have it... We would really like to >> be able to implement it here but are finding it difficult to find SPs >> who support Customers who

Re: Peering in Latin America

2009-10-31 Thread Seth Mattinen
Ken Gilmour wrote: > > We have BGP4 networks in other locations (IPv4 and IPv6) - Costa Rica > being one of the places that don't have it... We would really like to > be able to implement it here but are finding it difficult to find SPs > who support Customers who advertise their own PI space. >

Re: Peering in Latin America

2009-10-31 Thread Ken Gilmour
2009/10/31 Ken Gilmour : > 2009/10/31 Dave Temkin : >> Ken Gilmour wrote: >>> >>> Hi There, >>> >>> I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America >>> (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I >>> have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data

Re: Peering in Latin America

2009-10-31 Thread Ken Gilmour
2009/10/31 Dave Temkin : > Ken Gilmour wrote: >> >> Hi There, >> >> I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America >> (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I >> have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, >> www.data.cr). While

Re: Peering in Latin America

2009-10-31 Thread Dave Temkin
Ken Gilmour wrote: Hi There, I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, www.data.cr). While they are already on my list for a quote, we n

Peering in Latin America

2009-10-31 Thread Ken Gilmour
Hi There, I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, www.data.cr). While they are already on my list for a quote, we need at least one othe

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Paul Wall
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > while i can understand folk's wanting to signal upstream using > communities, and i know it's all the rage.  one issue needs to be > raised. BGP communities are all the rage? I don't think this is new concept or fad. Signaling behaviors as well

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Tony Varriale
The answer is fairly simple. Does your business benefit by having the ability to modify routing strategy as you see fit? Yes or no? IMO, the answer is yes. If your business partners aren't on the same page or align correctly with your requirements, seek new ones. tv - Original Message

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Andy B.
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Tim Jackson wrote: > Being the architect/head-nerd-in-charge of a fairly new network. > > Not reading ras's HOWTOs and others is suicide There's no > excuse... It really makes running your network easier.. If my customer > needs to prepend X to Y transit/pee

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Tim Jackson
Being the architect/head-nerd-in-charge of a fairly new network. Not reading ras's HOWTOs and others is suicide There's no excuse... It really makes running your network easier.. If my customer needs to prepend X to Y transit/peer/customer or not announce to them at 3am, that means they do

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 08:03:12PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > And I'll conclude my argument with this: > > whois -h whois.radb.net | grep remarks: Err insert "AS3356" in there, sorry failure in proofreading. I'll leave it there, but clearly this is being done by many other large networ

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 07:33:52PM -0500, Dorian Kim wrote: > This is a strawman argument. I never said that any of the above was > a bad thing, nor that transit providers shouldn't support them. They > should. > > Only point I was addressing was your characterisation that networks > who do supp

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread jim deleskie
Agree'd :) On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> Here is the problem as I see it.  Sure some % fo the people using BGP >> are bright nuff to use some upstreams communities, but sadly many are >> not.  So this ends up breaking one or more networks, who in turn twist >> more dials c

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Randy Bush
> Here is the problem as I see it. Sure some % fo the people using BGP > are bright nuff to use some upstreams communities, but sadly many are > not. So this ends up breaking one or more networks, who in turn twist > more dials causing other changes.. rinse, wash and repeat. But like > Randy sai

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Dorian Kim
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 06:49:03PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > I'm curious, since when did respecting bounds of contracts and agreements > > one has signed become "stodgy"? > > There is no excuse for not being able to tell people where you learned a > route from (continent, region, ci

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread jim deleskie
Here is the problem as I see it. Sure some % fo the people using BGP are bright nuff to use some upstreams communities, but sadly many are not. So this ends up breaking one or more networks, who in turn twist more dials causing other changes.. rinse, wash and repeat. But like Randy said who am I

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Randy Bush
while i can understand folk's wanting to signal upstream using communities, and i know it's all the rage. one issue needs to be raised. bgp is a brilliant information hiding protocol. policy is horribly opaque. complexity abounds. and it has unfun consequences, e.g. see tim on wedgies etc. an

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 06:35:31PM -0500, Dorian Kim wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 06:27:38PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > 1) Old stodgy tier 1's who have communities but don't want to share them > > with the world, because of silly NDA concerns or the like. This covers a > > I'm cur

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread JC Dill
Andy B. wrote: I tried to contact my upstream several times through different channels to get some background as to why they would not be able to provide us this service, but all we get is tickets that get closed without an answer. Management itself does not seem to bother either. Completely

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Dorian Kim
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 06:27:38PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > 1) Old stodgy tier 1's who have communities but don't want to share them > with the world, because of silly NDA concerns or the like. This covers a I'm curious, since when did respecting bounds of contracts and agreements on

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 12:00:20AM +0100, Andy B. wrote: > I would not say that my upstream is an old stodgy network and > certainly will I not consider them as "idiots", because they seem to > know what they are doing. I'd rather say they are pretty ignorant when > it comes to some "advanced" cust

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Andy B. wrote: >> In this day >> and age a robust and functional set of communities should really be a >> requirement for any network provider. > > We're almost 2010. Hurricane Electric, please do something about it! > maybe bake them a cake? -chris

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Andy B.
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > Yes and no. There are a handful of old stodgy networks who are of the > belief that this kind of information is "proprietary", and therefore > should not be sent to customers or other networks on the Internet. My > opinion is that th

RE: PPPoE vs. Bridged ADSL

2009-10-31 Thread Frank Bulk - iName.com
Hindsight being what it is, we would have likely had a separate account/password for the PPP account. I guess we could theoretically have two layers of RADIUS checking, the first layer being the application-layer username/password, and failing that, the original username/password that we assigned

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Joe Provo
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 09:37:03PM +0100, Andy B. wrote: > Hi, > > Quick question: Would you buy transit from someone who does not > support BGP communities? No. -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 09:37:03PM +0100, Andy B. wrote: > While most decent upstream providers support this kind of traffic > engineering, one of them refuses to send and accept BGP communities. I > tried to contact my upstream several times through different channels > to get some background as t

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
We have transit through Peer1 and Telia, both accept communities. I wouldn't consider buying from someone who didn't. Jeff On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Andy B. wrote: > Hi, > > Quick question: Would you buy transit from someone who does not > support BGP communities? > > Here is the story: >

Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Andy B.
Hi, Quick question: Would you buy transit from someone who does not support BGP communities? Here is the story: My company is pushing several GBit/s through various upstream providers. We have reached the point where we rely on BGP communitiy support, especially communities that can be sent to t

RE: PPPoE vs. Bridged ADSL

2009-10-31 Thread Sean Donelan
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote: Others commented on things I already had in mind only the username/password thing of PPPoE. We use the same username/pw on the modem as the customer users for their e-mail, so a password change necessitates a truck roll (I know, I know, TR-069).