Jack Bates wrote:
> Roy wrote:
>> The problem that the FCC faces is making a realistic definition that
>> can apply to the whole US and not just cities.
If I'm reading this question right, the issue is that Congress
appropriated some pork for "rural broadband" and now it's up to the FCC
to guess w
Sean Donelan wrote:
Stimulus money per rural housing unit = $277.58 one-time
What definition of "broadband" can you achieve for that amount of money
in a rural build-out?
How much will fiber to the home cost in a rural area?
For 1-2k customers in small rural towns I've been hearing numbers
Does anyone have a contact at Qwest who can help us get the ball rolling
to implement an exchange of IPv6 traffic? Their NOC referred us back to
our account manager, who said "We don't do IPv6". A quick Google search
would seem to indicate otherwise...
Thanks!
--
-
heh. I've seen 3 different plans for FTTH in 3 different telco's;
different engineering firms. All 3 had active devices in the OSP.
Apparently they couldn't justify putting more fiber in all the way back
to the office.
Don't get me wrong. I've heard wonderful drawn out arguments concerning
ve
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Fred Baker wrote:
If it's about stimulus money, I'm in favor of saying that broadband implies
fiber to the home. That would provide all sorts of stimuli to the economy -
infrastructure, equipment sales, jobs digging ditches, and so on. I could
pretty quickly argue myself in
Wrong analogy, you have no way to use all 6 lanes @ once. The highway
is an aggregation device not access method. Unless you have 6 lanes
into your driveway :)
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, jim deleskie said:
>> Why should I person be disadvantage from
Once upon a time, jim deleskie said:
> Why should I person be disadvantage from another in the same country,
> maybe its the Canadian in me, but isn't there something in the
> founding documents of the US that define's all men as being equal.
Nobody is forcing anybody to live out where high-speed
Thanks guys I got it...
-carlos
-Original Message-
From: Carlos Alcantar [mailto:car...@race.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:49 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: MRLG
Anyone seem to have the src code to Multi-Router Looking Glass version
5.4.1 Beta (the perl version) seem like th
Anyone seem to have the src code to Multi-Router Looking Glass version
5.4.1 Beta (the perl version) seem like the original site that has the
src is down.
-carlos
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:01 PM, wrote:
> (Seriously - if 95% of the mail out there is spam, then the top 4-5 MTAs are
> probably the ratware that's sending out the spam. Something to consider...)
http://www.mailradar.com/mailstat/
Some of the most popular:
1. Sendmail; (24%)
2. Postfix (20%)
3.
We are talking government handouts here and they never make sense
jim deleskie wrote:
Why should I person be disadvantage from another in the same country,
maybe its the Canadian in me, but isn't there something in the
founding documents of the US that define's all men as being equal. I
tho
In a message written on Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:17:02AM -0600, Luke Marrott
wrote:
> I read an article on DSL Reports the other day (
> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/FCC-Please-Define-Broadband-104056), in
> which the FCC has a document requesting feedback on the definition of
> Broadband.
>
Why should I person be disadvantage from another in the same country,
maybe its the Canadian in me, but isn't there something in the
founding documents of the US that define's all men as being equal. I
though it was Orewell that made some more equal then others. :)
-jim
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8
I think it has become obvious that the correct definition of broadband
depends on the users location. A house in the boonies is not going to
get fiber, Perhaps the minimum acceptable bandwidth should vary by
area. A definition of "area" could be some sort of user density
measurement by censu
And 640k is enough. When I started in this game 15 or so yrs back the
'backbone' in Canada was a 56k figure 8 loop, running frame relay. We
moved to T1 a yr or so later. Buy the time I left Canada to work for
internetMCI a yr later, we're @ DS3's in Canada. Technology evolves
quickly. Just beca
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu writes:
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:50:51 +0300, Sharef Mustafa said:
>> Can anyone please point me to a list of the most used MTAs (mail
>> servers) and their market share?
>
> Now, did you want that in terms of "number of copies installed" or
> "amount of mail handled"?
Or
Having worked for rather large MSO in past I can tell you the issue
with this that the cost man power and engineering time to go back and
replace today with 3-5 forward technology is mostly like more then
delta between copper and fiber today.
-jim
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Richard Bennett
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 04:01:11PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> (Seriously - if 95% of the mail out there is spam, then the top 4-5 MTAs are
> probably the ratware that's sending out the spam. Something to consider...)
That's true, especially given the size of the installed base.
So i
Key characteristics of broadband : always on capability (reasonably, DSL ok,
dial up no). I would argue 7mb is broadband even if its over carrier pigeon.
(meets always on criteria).
I think the threshold for cut off is somewhere between 256kbit/s and 1.5mbit/s.
If you don't think 1.5mbit is bro
I would argue that "broadband" is the upper X percentile of bandwidth
options available to residential users. For instance, something like
Verizon FiOS would be broadband while a 7 Mbps cable wouldn't.
Jeff
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
> They have a saying in politics t
On 26/08/2009, at 6:21 AM, Mike Bartz wrote:
We experienced the joy of using the X6148 cards with a SAN/ESX
cluster.
Lots of performance issues! A fairly inexpensive solution was to
switch to
the X6148A card instead, which does not suffer the the 8:1
oversubscription. It also supports MTU
If I had to guess..
Postfix
Sendmail
Exim
ComminigatePro
Beyond those you'd probably see a lot of the free webmail carriers (Gmail,
yahoo, and hotmail/live all use "custom" MTA's) as well as IPSwitch's iMail
and the Windows Server/IIS SMTP service.
-Scott
-Original Message-
From
They have a saying in politics to the effect that "the perfect is the enemy
of the good." This is a pretty good illustration. We have the opportunity to
improve connectivity in rural America through the wise expenditure of
taxpayer funding, and it's best not to squander it by insisting on top-shelf
CON: active devices in the OSP.
On 8/26/2009 12:06 PM, Jack Bates wrote:
jim deleskie wrote:
I agree we should all be telling the FCC that broadband is fiber to
the home. If we spend all kinds of $$ to build a 1.5M/s connection to
homes, it's outdated before we even finish.
I disagree. I
The push to dumb down the definition is not only to benefit the legacy
providers. It also benefits the politicians. A lower standard means
that a greater quantity of citizens can be deemed to have been given
broadband. The politicians will claim that they have served more
Americans...
T
As tedious as the downstream can be, engineering the upstream path of a cable
plant is worse.
A lot of older systems were never designed for upstream service. Even if the
amps are retrofitted, the plant is just not tight enough.
Desirably, fiber should be pushed deeper; the quantity of cascade
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Luke Marrott wrote:
>> What are your thoughts on what the definition of Broadband should be going
>> forward? I would assume this will be the standard definition for a number
>> of years to come.
>
> Historically, nar
On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Dan Snyder wrote:
We have done power tests before and had no problem. I guess I am
looking
for someone who does testing of the network equipment outside of
just power
tests. We had an outage due to a configuration mistake that became
apparent
when a switch f
On 26-Aug-2009, at 13:38, Fred Baker wrote:
If it's about stimulus money, I'm in favor of saying that broadband
implies fiber to the home.
I'm sure I remember hearing from someone that the timelines for
disbursement of stimulus money were tight enough that many people
expected much of th
We're way past the time in which broadband meant more bits than baud, huh? Was
it the other way around? I forget...
:)
Anyway:
"Broadband" could be defined as a duplex channel that is some positive multiple
of the BW needed to carry the lowest resolution, full-power, public broadcast
TV cha
not to mention all the lightning-blasted-routers that will be prevented by
FTTH :) even with several layers of protection I still accumulate about one
dead interface of some sort each year on my very rural T-1...
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:57 PM, jim deleskie wrote:
> I agree we should all be t
> Now, did you want that in terms of "number of copies installed" or
> "amount of mail handled"? There's probably zillions of little Fedora
> and
> Ubuntu boxes running whatever MTA came off the disk that are handling 1
> or 2 pieces of mail a day, and then there's whatever backends are used
> by
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:53:10PM +, Jeff Aitken wrote:
> you have to have some way of describing the desired state of the network in
> machine-parsable format
Any suggested tools for describing the desired state of the network?
NDL, the only option I'm familiar with, is just a brute-force a
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:50:51 +0300, Sharef Mustafa said:
> Can anyone please point me to a list of the most used MTAs (mail
> servers) and their market share?
Now, did you want that in terms of "number of copies installed" or
"amount of mail handled"? There's probably zillions of little Fedora a
Roy wrote:
The problem that the FCC faces is making a realistic definition that can
apply to the whole US and not just cities. How does fiber (home or
curb) figure in the rural sections of the country?
It figures in nicely, thank you. Of course, our definition of curb might
be 1.5 miles furt
Joel Esler wrote:
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Jack Bates wrote:
jim deleskie wrote:
I agree we should all be telling the FCC that broadband is fiber to
the home. If we spend all kinds of $$ to build a 1.5M/s connection to
homes, it's outdated before we even finish.
I disag
Joel Esler wrote:
I have fiber to the home. I can't imagine going back to "cable
modems" now. eww..
I couldn't imagine leaving my VDSL2. I've seen broadband sent to the
house via fiber, coax, and copper. I've seen them all done well, and
I've seen them all done poorly. All are capable of h
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Jack Bates wrote:
> jim deleskie wrote:
>>
>> I agree we should all be telling the FCC that broadband is fiber to
>> the home. If we spend all kinds of $$ to build a 1.5M/s connection to
>> homes, it's outdated before we even finish.
>
> I disagree. I much prefer f
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:45:07PM -0500, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote:
> There's more to data integrity in a data center (well, anything powered,
> that is) than network configurations.
Understood and agreed. My point was that induced failure testing isn't
the right way to catch incorrect or u
jim deleskie wrote:
I agree we should all be telling the FCC that broadband is fiber to
the home. If we spend all kinds of $$ to build a 1.5M/s connection to
homes, it's outdated before we even finish.
I disagree. I much prefer fiber to the curb with copper to the home. Of
course, I haven't h
I believe a lot of people are thinking the same way that fiber to the home is
broadband. Looking at some poll results from a calix webinar it looks like
most people submitting for stimulus money are going down that path of fiber to
the home as gpon and active Ethernet seem to be the front runne
The idea of regular testing is to essentially detect failures on your time
schedule rather than entropy's (or Murphy's). There can be flaws in your
testing methodology too. This is why generic load bank tests and network load
simulators rarely tell the whole story.
Customers are rightfully unp
I agree we should all be telling the FCC that broadband is fiber to
the home. If we spend all kinds of $$ to build a 1.5M/s connection to
homes, it's outdated before we even finish.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
> If it's about stimulus money, I'm in favor of saying that br
If it's about stimulus money, I'm in favor of saying that broadband
implies fiber to the home. That would provide all sorts of stimuli to
the economy - infrastructure, equipment sales, jobs digging ditches,
and so on. I could pretty quickly argue myself into suggesting special
favors for de
The trouble with broadband in rural America is the twisted pair loop lengths
that average around 20,000 feet. To use VDSL, the loop length needs to down
around 3000, so they're stuck with ADSL unless the ILEC wants to install a
lot of repeaters. And VDSL is the enabler of triple play over twisted p
In the applications I wrote earlier this month for BIP (Rural Utilities
Services, USDA) and BTOP (NTIA, non-rural) infrastructure, for Maine's
2nd, I was keenly aware that broadband hasn't taken off as a pervasive,
if not universal service in rural areas of the US.
I don't think the speed metr
In the applications I wrote earlier this month for BIP (Rural Utilities
Services, USDA) and BTOP (NTIA, non-rural) infrastructure, for Maine's
2nd, I was keenly aware that broadband hasn't taken off as a pervasive,
if not universal service in rural areas of the US.
I don't think the speed metr
I think the big push to get the fcc to define broadband is highly based
on the rus/ntia setting definitions of what broadband is. If any anyone
has been fallowing the rus/ntia they are the one handing out all the
stimulus infrastructure grant loan money. So there are a lot of
political reasons to
Paul Timmins wrote:
Fred Baker wrote:
On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Luke Marrott wrote:
What are your thoughts on what the definition of Broadband should be
going
forward? I would assume this will be the standard definition for a
number of
years to come.
Historically, narrowband was cir
I would hope that the data center engineers built and ran suite of tests to
find failure points before the network infrastructure was put into production.
That said, changes are made constantly to the infrastructure and it can become
very difficult very quickly to know if the failovers are still
Fred Baker wrote:
On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Luke Marrott wrote:
What are your thoughts on what the definition of Broadband should be
going
forward? I would assume this will be the standard definition for a
number of
years to come.
Historically, narrowband was circuit switched (ISDN etc
James Hess wrote:
Config checking can't say much about silent hardware failures.
Unanticipated problems are likely to arise in failover systems,
especially complicated ones. A failover system that has not been
periodically verified may not work as designed.
I've seen 3-4 failover failures in
According to the Google, the most used MTA is Ez-Pass :)
allan
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+the+most+used+MTAs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.frontmotion:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-aand
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=
http://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+the+most+used+MTAs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.frontmotion:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-aand
http://www.google.com/search?q=MTA+market+share&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.frontmotion:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Sh
Hi,
Can anyone please point me to a list of the most used MTAs (mail
servers) and their market share?
BR
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 09:40:53AM -0400, train...@kalsec.com wrote:
> I need a SORBS maintainer to contact me.
This should be redirected to the spam-l (preferable) or mailop
(possibly) mailing list, where your chances of paging someone
working in the DNSBL/RHSBL community are much better.
---Rsk
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