Re: Comprehensive community Guideline and Policies for an AS

2009-02-21 Thread Kevin Blackham
See nLayer. That should be the gold standard. :) On 2/20/09, Joe Maimon wrote: > > > Charles Gucker wrote: >>> What I am looking for is a best practice guide on community policy setup. >>> >>> Barring that, I plan to continue examining every publicly published >>> guideline to try to produce one,

Re: Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall?

2009-02-21 Thread neal rauhauser
OK, here is the expanded, bloggy one. Some time Monday the more professionally written entry on The Cutting Edge News will be out and I'll share that one, too. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/22/23440/2313/339/700368 On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Chaim Rieger wrote: > Back on list >

Re: Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall?

2009-02-21 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:11 PM, neal rauhauser wrote: Well, I hope I'm not butchering the story up too badly This has been written up several times before - in addition to the links in Richard's post, take a look at the following, including the links at the bottom of the page:

SLAs for colo sites?

2009-02-21 Thread Hank Nussbacher
A neutral colo site has to just provide two things really: A/C and power. What happens when a colo site loses power even though they have all the necessary bells and whistles - generators, UPSs, multiple electrical carrier feeds, etc. Can anyone point me at actual online SLAs for colo sites t

Re: Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall?

2009-02-21 Thread Chaim Rieger
Back on list I doubt you will get skewered, I promise to read it Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: neal rauhauser Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:24:08 To: Subject: Re: Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall? Oh, you guys will skewer me for it :-) Shall I pos

Re: Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall?

2009-02-21 Thread neal rauhauser
Well, I hope I'm not butchering the story up too badly - got an 800 word piece going up Monday on The Cutting Edge News and I'm doing something more lengthly and bloggy tonight for DailyKos, whilst hanging around abusing one of our spare 7507s with various new IOS versions. On Sun, Feb 22, 200

Re: Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall?

2009-02-21 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Feb 22, 2009, at 1:47 AM, Randy Bush wrote: Does anyone have the full story on this? bottom line: o do not redistribute bgp into igp o do not redistribute dynamic igp into bgp o filter your peers and customers And don't

Re: Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall?

2009-02-21 Thread Richard Parker
On Feb 21, 2009, at 10:28 PM, neal rauhauser wrote: Does anyone have the full story on this? See: http://www.flix.net/ -Richard

Re: Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall?

2009-02-21 Thread Randy Bush
>> Does anyone have the full story on this? > bottom line: o do not redistribute bgp into igp o do not redistribute dynamic igp into bgp o filter your peers and customers randy

Re: Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall?

2009-02-21 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Feb 22, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Roland Dobbins wrote: On Feb 22, 2009, at 2:28 PM, neal rauhauser wrote: Does anyone have the full story on this? Avi happened to be next to me when I read the first post in this thread - and re-

Re: Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall?

2009-02-21 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Feb 22, 2009, at 2:28 PM, neal rauhauser wrote: Does anyone have the full story on this? --- Roland Dobbins // +852.9133.2844 mobile Some things are jus

Great outage of 1997 - Does anyone recall?

2009-02-21 Thread neal rauhauser
I recall a marvelous eighteen hour long global internet outage which I believe occurred in 1997, but this was before I'd ever touched BGP. Does anyone have the full story on this? I'm writing on article on the recent troubles with Supro and my silly editor wants fact checking and all sorts of stuf

Re: hardware choices (Re: real hardware router VS linux router)

2009-02-21 Thread Josh Potter
I think it's safe to define "real hardware" as hardware with ASIC's as opposed to software based solutions. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Edward B. DREGER < eddy+public+s...@noc.everquick.net >wrote: > DK> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:30:16 -0500 > DK> From: Deric Kwok > > [ snip ] > > Let's blu

Re: comcast price check

2009-02-21 Thread Eric Gearhart
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Steven King wrote: > I can't even get reliable home cable internet service from them. No way > I would ever consider using them for transit. I would only consider a > stub peer with them to help out the poor Comcast customers who are also > trying to get to my data

RE: comcast price check

2009-02-21 Thread Blake Pfankuch
Ok lets clarify. Comcast recently started offering Ethernet (read fiber delivery) circuits. Anyone know about stability and pricing on these. Please exclude all the commentary on any Comcast services that are "cable" based. -Original Message- From: ChrisSerafin [mailto:ch...@chrissera

T.38 IP carriers?

2009-02-21 Thread Brian Feeny
Is anyone aware of a large (preferably tier 1 or tier 2) carrier that has a solid network that supports T.38 fax on-ramp and off-ramp services? I have a client that needs to originate and terminate several DS3's worth of T.38 fax traffic and is trying to find a carrier that supports this.

Re: comcast price check

2009-02-21 Thread ChrisSerafin
I have a client that has a number of business AT&T DSL and Comcast cable circuits for small remote VPN sites.AT&T is great, rarely goes down Their Comcast circuits ALWAYS go down and are problems upstream per Comcast. I 'm not sure how much they cost thought, sorry. Chris Serafin

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-21 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Leen Besselink wrote: > If you had to choose, it's probably smarted to go with OpenBSD, it has a > lot better integration of packet filter, bgpd-daemon, ospf, vrrp-like, etc. If you'd like a hope in hell of handling higher packet rates, where "higher packet rates" is "more t

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-21 Thread Leen Besselink
mike wrote: > Well, > >Our operation uses linux everywhere and we have our own in house tiny > embedded flavor with all the tools and things that make it suited for > use in big and small boxes as many kinds of router and general packet > flipping appliance. I have confidence built on long ter

Re: Consumer broadband please move (was:Re: comcast price check)

2009-02-21 Thread Ryan A. Krenzischek
Mike, Comcast sells these business services but expects to be held to no SLA. It was a clear warning before going to use them, that you could run into potential problems with their "Enterprise-Grade" ethernet service. It took 4 months for their techs to figure out it was something wired wron

Re: Craptastic Service! (was: Re: comcast price check)

2009-02-21 Thread Ryan A. Krenzischek
While this is true, I had a 4 hour negotiated SLA with Bellsouth (AT&T) for any outages on my DSL business circuit and I was paying alot less. Ryan On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Jim Popovitch wrote: It is also BS how high the expectations are for the $$ spent. ;-) -Jim P.

Re: Craptastic Service! (was: Re: comcast price check)

2009-02-21 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:00, Steven King wrote: > I don't think the expectations are that high for the money spent. They > are promising a service for a particular price. They either deliver on > that service in a 100% working condition or its false advertising and > thus is not honest. It isn't

hardware choices (Re: real hardware router VS linux router)

2009-02-21 Thread Edward B. DREGER
DK> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:30:16 -0500 DK> From: Deric Kwok [ snip ] Let's blur the line a bit more: CompactPCI? NICs such as those [apparently] offered by Cavium... or any other number of places working ARM/Freescale, MIPS, or PowerPC magic on NICs? What is "real" hardware, anyway? Would

RE: Consumer broadband please move (was:Re: comcast price check)

2009-02-21 Thread Blake Pfankuch
The original inquiry was aimed at comcast's Ethernet service, which no one has actually responded to and the whole thread turned south from there. >> Does any one here use comcast's ethernet services? >> If so, what is their price range? >> >> >> Thanks in advance. -Original Message- Fro

RE: comcast price check

2009-02-21 Thread Blake Pfankuch
Maybe it just depends on the area I have had Comcast Business Class at my residences through the past 7 years with no problems at all. Infact my current connection has almost a better uptime than our t1's at our office. Connected (165d 13h 29m 37s) with 16/2 minimum speed. I personally would

Consumer broadband please move (was:Re: comcast price check)

2009-02-21 Thread mike
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:52:23 -0500 Steven King wrote: I can't even get reliable home cable internet service from them. No way I would ever consider using them for transit. I would only consider a stub peer with them to help out the poor Comcast customers who are

Re: comcast price check

2009-02-21 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:52:23 -0500 Steven King wrote: > I can't even get reliable home cable internet service from them. No > way I would ever consider using them for transit. I would only > consider a stub peer with them to help out the poor Comcast customers > who are also trying to get to my d

Re: Craptastic Service! (was: Re: comcast price check)

2009-02-21 Thread Steven King
I don't think the expectations are that high for the money spent. They are promising a service for a particular price. They either deliver on that service in a 100% working condition or its false advertising and thus is not honest. It isn't the customers fault they decided to promise a service at a

Re: comcast price check

2009-02-21 Thread Steven King
I can't even get reliable home cable internet service from them. No way I would ever consider using them for transit. I would only consider a stub peer with them to help out the poor Comcast customers who are also trying to get to my data centers. Owen DeLong wrote: > Fair warning, Comcast is tota

Re: Craptastic Service! (was: Re: comcast price check)

2009-02-21 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 02:44, Sharma, Kapeel wrote: > This is BS how narrow minded our providers are. It is also BS how high the expectations are for the $$ spent. ;-) -Jim P.

RE: comcast price check

2009-02-21 Thread Blake Pfankuch
Back to the original topic on price. I am interested in this as well as we are looking for a failover network and had actually talked with Comcast. They were doing the work to see how far they had to trench. Does anyone out there actually use their Ethernet services? How stable are they? Go

Re: comcast price check

2009-02-21 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 2/20/09 11:36 PM, Andrew Prowant wrote: Yes, Comcast started providing transit late last year. A couple hosting providers have connectivity to them here in Chicago. FDCServers.net has 30Gbps or 40Gbps to them. *raises an eyebrow* FDCservers.net eh? That's always reassuring. Given my pa

Re: comcast price check

2009-02-21 Thread Owen DeLong
Fair warning, Comcast is totally into the bait and switch game. Talk to any 3 people at Comcast and you will receive at least 4 different answers about what is or isn't included. Having a particular offer in writing makes no difference to them. I will be contacting the Santa Clara County Distric