Maildir

2002-01-20 Thread Odhiambo Washington
I am looking for a way to access mail stored in ~/Maildir but can't find it in man page for muttrc. Any takers? Flamers? ;-) TIA -Wash S y s t e m s A d m i n. -- Odhiambo Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"The box said 'Requires Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com Windows 95, NT,

Re: Maildir

2002-01-20 Thread budsz
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:32:46AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >I am looking for a way to access mail stored in ~/Maildir but can't find >it in man page for muttrc. Any takers? Flamers? ;-) Do you mean only just to read/write? ,I use setting in .muttrc like this: set mbox_type=mailbox set s

Re: macro to move old messages isn't working in 1.3.25i

2002-01-20 Thread parv
in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote David T-G thusly... > > parv -- > > ...and then parv said... > % > % i am using mutt 1.3.25i version and the following key binding/macro > % is not working anymore; it used to in some 1.2 version... > % > % macro index \cO ' ~r>1m\;s ' "move >1 month old

Re: Maildir

2002-01-20 Thread Bruno Postle
On Sun 20-Jan-2002 at 11:32:46AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I am looking for a way to access mail stored in ~/Maildir but can't > find it in man page for muttrc. Any takers? Flamers? ;-) Flamers? This is the default mailfolder if you are also accessing your mail with courier-imap. When

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-20 Thread Andreas Herceg
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 02:10:09AM -0500, David T-G wrote: | Andreas -- | | ...and then Andreas Herceg said... | % | % Hello, | | Hi! | | % in my .muttrc I have included the lines | % | % my_hdr Bcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | % my_hdr X-Label: coprija | % | % I wanted to achieve that outgoing mess

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-20 Thread David T-G
Andreas -- ...and then Andreas Herceg said... % % On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 02:10:09AM -0500, David T-G wrote: % | % | ...and then Andreas Herceg said... % | % ... % | % my_hdr X-Label: coprija % | % % | % I wanted to achieve that outgoing messages are sent to my alternate % | % address which I

Re: Maildir

2002-01-20 Thread David T-G
Wash -- ...and then Odhiambo Washington said... % % I am looking for a way to access mail stored in ~/Maildir but can't find % it in man page for muttrc. Any takers? Flamers? ;-) Um, what about mutt -f $HOME/Maildir/ for starters? And if that's your incoming mailbox, you could set your $s

Re: Mutt-1.3.26 has been released.

2002-01-20 Thread Will Yardley
A Guy Called Tyketto wrote: > bradl@bellicha:/usr/local/src/mail/mutt> gpg mutt-1.3.26i.tar.gz.asc > gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! > gpg: Signature made Fri 18 Jan 2002 03:45:17 AM PST using RSA key ID CE6AC6C1 > gpg: BAD signature from "Thomas Roessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > bradl@bellich

Re: patch to force pgp_create_traditional on non-us-ascii mails (was: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch))

2002-01-20 Thread Dale Woolridge
On 12-Jan-2002 19:08 Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: | | One thing though: Somewhere the following header is created: | | Content-Disposition: inline; filename="msg.pgp" | | This causes Outlook to show an attachment where there obviously is | none. Could this be safely ommited? Viktor, I wa

Re: grepm

2002-01-20 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
> I was just reading about grepmail and was led to a wrapper for it > specifically for mutt called grepm. Sounds like something that might be > neat. After installing the software, how do I implement it in mutt? > thanks. I'm coming into this thread a little late, but if you have Python availa

maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread David Rock
I was just wondering what the real differences were between maildir and mbox formats? I know mbox is an appended file while maildir is a separate directory for each mail (each what, exactly)? What are the benefits of using one type over the other? Thanks. -- David Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] ms

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Benjamin Michotte
Hi, On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 12:08:44PM, David Rock wrote: > I was just wondering what the real differences were between maildir and > mbox formats? I know mbox is an appended file while maildir is a > separate directory for each mail (each what, exactly)? one folder for a box, each mail in a sep

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Daniel Eisenbud
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 12:08:44PM -0600, David Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just wondering what the real differences were between maildir and > mbox formats? I know mbox is an appended file while maildir is a > separate directory for each mail (each what, exactly)? > > What are the b

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Christian Ordig
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 07:33:10PM +0100, Benjamin Michotte wrote: > opening a mbox with ± 7000 mails : less than 10 seconds. > opening the same in Maildir : 3 minutes... uhhh ... what kind of system did you use for measurement?? on my P100 with a quite old HDD running OpenBSD 2.9 it takes about

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-20 Thread Andreas Herceg
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 10:04:37AM -0500, David T-G wrote: | Andreas -- | | ...and then Andreas Herceg said... | % | % On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 02:10:09AM -0500, David T-G wrote: | % | | % | ...and then Andreas Herceg said... | % | % | ... | % | % my_hdr X-Label: coprija | % | | % | Gaack! Th

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Benjamin Michotte
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 09:01:39PM, Christian Ordig wrote: > uhhh ... what kind of system did you use for measurement?? P2-350 with a 20Gb HDD running Linux 2.4.17 on a Slackware 8.0. My ~/mail is on a 600 Mb reiserfs partition. I think I will convert my /home dir to ext3 and then try Maildir to c

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Roman Neuhauser
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:08:44 -0600 > From: David Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Mutt Users List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: maildir over mbox? > > I was just wondering what the real differences were between maildir and > mbox formats? I know mbox is an appended file while maildir is a > s

vim mail plugin

2002-01-20 Thread Brian Medley
Hi, I have made several modifications to my mail plugin for vim. It is available from vim online at: http://vim.sourceforge.net/scripts/script.php?script_id=99 Below is a description with what it does. This plugin's purpose is helping with mail editing. It has two major roles. The first

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-20 Thread Will Yardley
Andreas Herceg wrote: > > OK, I did not know that X-Label is that common. Now I thought of just > defining 'X-Coprija: coprija'. > > Now I would like to know if this would be against some standard which I > do not know. my understanding is that X headers are pretty much up for grabs. i say if

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Benjamin Michotte
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 07:33:10PM, Benjamin Michotte wrote: > > What are the benefits of using one type over the other? > opening a mbox with ± 7000 mails : less than 10 seconds. > opening the same in Maildir : 3 minutes... Oh my good... convert my reiserfs partition to ext3... about 10-15 second

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-20 Thread Andreas Herceg
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 02:18:59PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: | Andreas Herceg wrote: | > | > OK, I did not know that X-Label is that common. Now I thought of just | > defining 'X-Coprija: coprija'. | > | > Now I would like to know if this would be against some standard which I | > do not know.

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-20 Thread David T-G
Andreas -- ...and then Andreas Herceg said... % % On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 10:04:37AM -0500, David T-G wrote: % | % | ...and then Andreas Herceg said... % | % % | % On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 02:10:09AM -0500, David T-G wrote: % | % | % | % | ...and then Andreas Herceg said... % | % | % % | ...

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-20 Thread David T-G
Will, et al -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % % Andreas Herceg wrote: % > % > OK, I did not know that X-Label is that common. Now I thought of just % > defining 'X-Coprija: coprija'. % > % > Now I would like to know if this would be against some standard which I % > do not know. % % my un

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread budsz
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 09:39:05PM +0100, Benjamin Michotte wrote: >On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 09:01:39PM, Christian Ordig wrote: >> uhhh ... what kind of system did you use for measurement?? >P2-350 with a 20Gb HDD running Linux 2.4.17 on a Slackware 8.0. >My ~/mail is on a 600 Mb reiserfs partition

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-20 Thread Will Yardley
David T-G wrote: > > Sure. One could say the same thing about just about any header. > Maybe I'd want to use the References: header for notes about where I > did my research on this particular email. Then there's always the > Message-ID: games you can play, too. the difference being that these

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Christian Ordig
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 09:39:05PM +0100, Benjamin Michotte wrote: > On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 09:01:39PM, Christian Ordig wrote: > > uhhh ... what kind of system did you use for measurement?? > P2-350 with a 20Gb HDD running Linux 2.4.17 on a Slackware 8.0. > My ~/mail is on a 600 Mb reiserfs parti

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Christian Ordig
> Oh my good... convert my reiserfs partition to ext3... > about 10-15 seconds to open my mutt Maildir now !!! ooops ... I should have already read this mail before answering the last subthread ,-) little question: cached or first opening ? > Absolutly... reiserfs sucks. *g* -- Christian Ordi

Re: Mutt-1.3.26 has been released.

2002-01-20 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, A Guy Called Tyketto hath spake thusly: > Interesting. I have ncftp set to grab it as binary, but I gave it a > try as well with the de facto ftp program: [SNIP] > 250 Current directory is now /pub/mutt/. > ftp> hash > Hash mark printing on (1024 bytes/hash mark)

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Andy Davidson
As a slight aside on this discussion, I had read somewhere --- citation lost --- that the munging of mboxes to escape lines beginning "From " in a message to ">From " messed up PGP signing. Is this valid? [I suspect not, because I see lots of signed messages and you can't *all* be using maildirs,

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, budsz hath spake thusly: > >yes, I know. I tried to convert my mbox to Maildirs, but about 3 minutes > >to open a folder is really awfull, so I keep mbox > > If we look in speed to read right..? how about savety...? let's say I want > to copy paste 1000 email to some place

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Will Yardley
Christian Ordig wrote: > > Filesystem: UFS, mounted sync [...] > Are there others having such poor performance with Maildir as Benjamin > has? And with which filesystem OS combinations? our office mail machine is (unfortunately) linux with ext2, and i can attest to the fact that Maildir is pret

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, Roman Neuhauser hath spake thusly: > This format can get _very_ slow with large mailboxes on filesystems that do > not handle directoris with many files in them. This should include the > Linux ext2fs. > > FreeBSD post-4.4 FFS with softupdates and dirhas

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Michael Elkins
Andy Davidson wrote: > As a slight aside on this discussion, I had read somewhere --- citation > lost --- that the munging of mboxes to escape lines beginning "From " in a > message to ">From " messed up PGP signing. Is this valid? [I suspect not, > because I see lots of signed messages and you c

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, Will Yardley hath spake thusly: > Christian Ordig wrote: > > > > Filesystem: UFS, mounted sync > [...] > > Are there others having such poor performance with Maildir as Benjamin > > has? And with which filesystem OS combinations? > > our office mail machine is (unfortuna

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Michael Elkins
Derek D. Martin wrote: > I'm no expert, but it strikes me that OPENING maildir mailboxes on ANY > filesystem will ALWAYS be slower than mbox, because of what you need > to do. An mbox mailbox will generally have little fragmentation on I'd be curious to get some feedback on my header caching pat

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-20 Thread David T-G
Will, et al -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % % David T-G wrote: % > % > Sure. One could say the same thing about just about any header. % > Maybe I'd want to use the References: header for notes about where I % > did my research on this particular email. Then there's always the % > Messa

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread budsz
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 09:21:44PM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: >It's not any safer if you do it RIGHT. In computer science, you want >to tend to optimize for the common case, and the common case when >reading e-mail is wanting quick access. :) Absolutely, I mean in my experience, I'll choise

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Will Yardley
Derek D. Martin wrote: > > But how does it compare to mbox on the same FS? I'll bet it's still > significantly slower. but with mbox, the entire file has to be stated every time the file is read or modified. with a large file, this can be pretty resource intensive, and can also be time consumin

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Samuel Padgett
Derek D. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No manager I've ever worked for would tolerate waiting 3 minutes to > open their inbox... That's funny because where I work, we use Lotus Notes, and I'm sure many managers routinely wait this long for Notes to open their inboxes (particularly if they

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Benjamin Michotte
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 02:31:56AM, Christian Ordig wrote: > > little question: cached or first opening ? the first opening takes about 20 seconds (for this 7900 mails) and when it's cached, it takes about 10-15 seconds, which is really more acceptable ;) > Christian Ordig ---end quoted text---

Re: grepm

2002-01-20 Thread Prahlad Vaidyanathan
Hi, On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 David T-G spewed into the ether: [-- snip --] > I can see entering a pattern for which to grep, but do you also have to > enter the mailbox through which to look? In other words, is this just a > hotkey that starts your grepm command, or does it somehow tie to the box > y

Re: rejected mail

2002-01-20 Thread Prahlad Vaidyanathan
Hi, On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 Aaron Schrab spewed into the ether: [-- snip --] > No, that's just his local MTA listing where it got the message from. > There's likely no way to change the value there, since it would likely > always use the login name of the invoking user, and "localhost" since > it's g

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Benjamin Michotte
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 02:29:22AM, Christian Ordig wrote: > well ... promises of ReiserFS should even tell us "it's optimized for > filesystems holding thousands of small files" ... well, I think it's "it's optimized for... hum, nothing" ;) > > Number of messages: 9089 (mutt-users archive of 2

blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-20 Thread Cameron Simpson
John Kearney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ a big quote from Christian Schoepplein ] [ and then a short but useful suggestion ] Remember that for many blind users these messages are being spoken to the reader by a voder. Where it's merely inconsiderate to not trim quotations when replying ordinaril

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Will Yardley
Michael Elkins wrote: > > I'd be curious to get some feedback on my header caching patch for > maildir folders (can be found at http://www.sigpipe.org:8080/mutt/). (thanks to michael for helping me to get this to compile)... anyway finally got this to work. note that you have to put '--enable-

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-20 Thread Will Yardley
one last thing - if you're using the patch by david champion to count attachments, it won't work with this patch. this is because mutt doesn't look at the message file at all... so all files show up as if they had one attachment. w