Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 11:21:40AM +0300, Alexander Gattin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 02:46:07AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 10:22:00AM +0300, Alexander Gattin wrote: > > > I use / ~b for searching in IMAP folder. > > > > Yeah, but what if you have 50 folders, and

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Will Fiveash
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 05:38:48PM -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > On 10/3/2013 3:34 PM, Will Fiveash wrote: > > Isn't there an existing MUA that already meets the needs of disabled > >users? > > spend a week in my microphone and see just how current software royally > f*&(#ds us crips over. Th

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On 10/3/2013 3:34 PM, Will Fiveash wrote: My concern is that mutt works very well for me in its current state. If the process of separating mutt as you describe has a regressive impact on the current text based UI I would be very unhappy. understood. I do not want to make you unhappy. Isn'

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Will Fiveash
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 12:18:29PM -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > the unix philosophy, like windows also fails the need of the disabled people > (like me). OTOH, MH was surprisingly friendly to speech recognition. I've > been thinking about how UI's fail the disabled for a few (20) years and ha

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Petr Pisar
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 10:22:00AM +0300, Alexander Gattin wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:03:44AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > I use / ~b for searching in IMAP folder. > Newer IMAP versions support server-side searching > but AFAIK mutt doesn't support this (XXX: one more > wishlist item).

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On 10/3/2013 8:59 AM, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: however, the unix philosophy (at least as actually lived by its strict adherents) *totally* fails the requirements of modern end-user computing: the unix philosophy, like windows also fails the need of the disabled people (like me). OTOH, MH wa

Re: The future of mutt... - intermediate aggregation

2013-10-03 Thread jpac...@redhat.com
Well, if you don't mind, I would try to make a small intermediate aggregation of the current topics discussed regarding the purpose of this discussion (which is solving the declining vitality of the mutt project). Except for many examples of technical stuff, patches and situations where the proje

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Oswald Buddenhagen
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 12:04:46PM +0300, Alexander Gattin wrote: > The "old" design you talk about comes from UNIX > concepts which power all the iThings, Androids and > Kindles you most probably use and adore yourself. > of course somebody had to say that. i call BullShit! on it. the Unix Philos

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Steve Kemp
> There is of course a wishlist - > * scripting I didn't even consider trying to fold in scripting to mutt, because it seemed like it would be such a mammoth task, and such a significant change for the project that it didn't seem like it would be either welcome or easy. I continue to use

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Richard
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 09:01:55AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > Considering mutt's maturity in it's *intended* design, improvements and/or > changes in direction greatly diminish one's expections of major changes > are not and cannot be seen which would give the impression of a loss of > "vita

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 02:46:07AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 10:22:00AM +0300, > Alexander Gattin wrote: > > I use / ~b for searching in IMAP folder. > > Yeah, but what if you have 50 folders, and you > don't know which one the message you're looking > for is in? Usual

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 10:22:00AM +0300, Alexander Gattin wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:03:44AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > In Mutt's context, the Unix philosophy works very well for things > > like handling e-mail attachments, but it works much less well for > > things that are inherent

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:03:44AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 12:04:46PM +0300, > Alexander Gattin wrote: > > The "old" design you talk about comes from UNIX > > concepts which power all the iThings, Androids and > > Kindles you most probably use and adore yourself. ... >