On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 04:26:55 +0100, Orion wrote:
Thanks for this very detailed examples. I feel that discussions here
benefit a lot from concrete examples.
So if you're still with me at this point, what I'm trying to get at is
this: some DVDs could probably be analyzed automatically and ent
Don Redman wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:10:52 +0100, Orion wrote:
I'm highly in favor of adding them, simply because in the music
cultures surrounding some of the artists I listen to it's become
standard practice for the fans to do audio only rips of all the
concert DVDs. Not adding them
On Friday 17 February 2006 01:10, Orion wrote:
> Tarragon M. Allen wrote:
> > I think the crux of this argument is not so much whether ripped DVD audio
> > tracks should be allowed in MusicBrainz as an official release type,
> > rather it's about the status of so-called "music" DVDs themselves.
> >
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:10:52 +0100, Orion wrote:
I'm highly in favor of adding them, simply because in the music cultures
surrounding some of the artists I listen to it's become standard
practice for the fans to do audio only rips of all the concert DVDs. Not
adding them feels like pretendi
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:51:51 +0100, Brian Gurtler wrote:
I'm using MBs definition of "official" and "bootleg"
No you are not. You are interpreting the official definitions that were
not made to cover the case of DVD.
Please, do not claim that you are using the official definition. This
d
Tarragon M. Allen wrote:
I think the crux of this argument is not so much whether ripped DVD audio
tracks should be allowed in MusicBrainz as an official release type, rather
it's about the status of so-called "music" DVDs themselves.
MusicBrainz was originally conceived around music _only_ re
On Thursday 16 February 2006 10:44, Orion wrote:
> > I'm using MBs definition of "official" and "bootleg"
>
> That's more or less the crux of it then. Those definitions are[1]:
> ∗ OfficialAny release officially sanctioned by the artist and/or
> their
> record company. (Most releases
I'm using MBs definition of "official" and "bootleg"
That's more or less the crux of it then. Those definitions are[1]:
∗ Official Any release officially sanctioned by the artist and/or their
record company. (Most releases will fit into this category.)
∗ Bootleg An unofficial/underground rel
Orion wrote:
> Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>>> Which isn't a very helpful definition of bootleg. What is it about it
>>> that makes it a bootleg even though it's an officially released DVD?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've already explained this previously.
>> you're making an unofficial recording from a DVD
>> ri
Brian Gurtler wrote:
Which isn't a very helpful definition of bootleg. What is it about it
that makes it a bootleg even though it's an officially released DVD?
I've already explained this previously.
you're making an unofficial recording from a DVD
ripping the audio off of a live concert DVD
Orion wrote:
> Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> which is basicly making a bootleg audio CD out of a DVD. Same as if you
>> were to record the audio from a television performance on the late show
>> with David Letterman.
>> If it were an official release, you would have imported a CD not a
>> ripped aud
mud crow wrote:
> I think you are all looking at this from the wrong angle.
> If I own a DVD I can simply type the track details into MB, no need to
> rip anything or copy anything, exactly as I do with vinyl or tape. Or I
> could enter more precise data and rip the dvd and add times to the
> trac
From: Luká Lalinský <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: MusicBrainz style discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [mb-style] DVD in album titles
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:50:45 +0100
mud crow wrote:
I think you are all lo
mud crow wrote:
I think you are all looking at this from the wrong angle.
If I own a DVD I can simply type the track details into MB, no need to
rip anything or copy anything, exactly as I do with vinyl or tape. Or I
could enter more precise data and rip the dvd and add times to the
tracks as
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:05:03 +0100, Cristov Russell wrote:
>
>
> > I don't think splitting a wave file constitutes a bootleg.
> A bootleg
> > is an unofficial and often (but not always) unauthorized recording.
> > We're talking about DVDs that are both official and authorized and
> > releas
Il Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:12 PM
Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
That is a very important distinction. There are a) _recordings_ that
are unauthroized, and b)
Quite OT, sorry.
What it scares me is that *any* and every matter discussed istantly leads to
other matters discuss
I think you are all looking at this from the wrong angle.
If I own a DVD I can simply type the track details into MB, no need to rip
anything or copy anything, exactly as I do with vinyl or tape. Or I could
enter more precise data and rip the dvd and add times to the tracks as well.
That isn't
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:05:03 +0100, Cristov Russell wrote:
I don't think splitting a wave file constitutes a bootleg. A bootleg is
an
unofficial and often (but not always) unauthorized recording. We're
talking
about DVDs that are both official and authorized and released by the
artists
la
Brian Gurtler wrote:
which is basicly making a bootleg audio CD out of a DVD. Same as if you
were to record the audio from a television performance on the late show
with David Letterman.
If it were an official release, you would have imported a CD not a
ripped audio from a DVD.
Not really the s
> Orion wrote:
> > It doesn't make much sense to me why it would be bootleg.
> I buy a CD,
> > put it in my computer, open a ripping program, hit go, and have a
> > bunch of wav files that I can encode to whatever. I buy a
> live DVD,
> > put it in my computer, open a ripping program, hit go
> Brian Gurtler wrote:
> > no, it would not leave the entire database as bootleg. it
> would make
> > the live concert DVD rips bootlegs where the source is the DVD (aka
> > DSBD as far as live recording sources are labled outside of MB).
> > Please expand on this, because it makes no sense to m
Orion wrote:
> Brian Gurtler wrote:
>
>> no, it would not leave the entire database as bootleg. it would make the
>> live concert DVD rips bootlegs where the source is the DVD (aka DSBD as
>> far as live recording sources are labled outside of MB).
>> Please expand on this, because it makes no s
I observe that there seems to be consensus in this matter. So, although
Simon has not asked for an official rule, one has emerged. It looks
someway like this (taken from Nikki's mail):
* The titles of DVDs are treated like CDs. No extra distinguishers
are added to the AlbumTitle. The fact t
Lukáš Lalinský wrote:
The difference is that for DVDs you usually split the wav files to match
the songs. I doubt there are many video DVDs where 1 chapter == 1 songs.
You'd be wrong on that. I have dozens of live DVDs that are all 1
chapter == 1 song, I don't have to do anything when ripping
Lukáš Lalinský wrote:
Orion wrote:
It doesn't make much sense to me why it would be bootleg. I buy a CD,
put it in my computer, open a ripping program, hit go, and have a
bunch of wav files that I can encode to whatever. I buy a live DVD,
put it in my computer, open a ripping program, hit g
Orion wrote:
It doesn't make much sense to me why it would be bootleg. I buy a CD,
put it in my computer, open a ripping program, hit go, and have a bunch
of wav files that I can encode to whatever. I buy a live DVD, put it in
my computer, open a ripping program, hit go, and have a bunch of w
Brian Gurtler wrote:
no, it would not leave the entire database as bootleg. it would make the
live concert DVD rips bootlegs where the source is the DVD (aka DSBD as
far as live recording sources are labled outside of MB).
Please expand on this, because it makes no sense to me how ripping out
aud
Cristov Russell wrote:
Jan van Thiel wrote:
>>
> > Another question is: what DVDs do we allow to be added?
>>
Audio DVD for
>>
>>certain, but what about video DVD rips and the like?
>>
>>--
>>Jan van Thiel
>>
>>
live DVD rips (IMO) should be added as
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 03:01:15PM +0100, Simon Reinhardt wrote:
> So things I observe from this list:
> Title DVD
> DVD Title
> Title (DVD)
> Title (DVD single)
> Title (bonus DVD)
> Title (DVD bonus tracks)
> Title (DVD-AUDIO)
> Title (DVD/CD) (wtf?)
> Title (Dvd Edition)
> Title (DVD Audio)
>
> Jan van Thiel wrote:
> > Another question is: what DVDs do we allow to be added?
> Audio DVD for
> > certain, but what about video DVD rips and the like?
> >
> > --
> > Jan van Thiel
> >
> live DVD rips (IMO) should be added as live/bootleg and
> follow the live/bootleg naming scheme.
>
> -
live DVD rips (IMO) should be added as live/bootleg and follow the
live/bootleg naming scheme.
-b.
Jan van Thiel wrote:
> Another question is: what DVDs do we allow to be added? Audio DVD for
> certain, but what about video DVD rips and the like?
>
> --
> Jan van Thiel
>
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From: Simon Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [mb-style] DVD in album titles
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:01:15 +0100
Hi!
DVDs again, this time about the album titles, not the release status.
If
On 2/14/06, Simon Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DVDs again, this time about the album titles, not the release status.
> If you look at
> http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?limit=0&table=album&search=dvd we have
> quite a mess there.
> I'm not calling for an official style guideline si
Hi!
DVDs again, this time about the album titles, not the release status.
If you look at
http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?limit=0&table=album&search=dvd we have
quite a mess there.
I'm not calling for an official style guideline since I think this is more a
provisional thing until we have
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