Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-17 Thread pedro la peu
On Monday 18 December 2006 03:05, Damien Miller wrote: > Knowing the MAC and RF versions of the affected cards is irrelevant? Yes. > I guess ral(4) that works fine over 20m through several double-brick > walls is a figment of my imagination then... No. A sensitive ral radio would be.

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-17 Thread Damien Miller
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, pedro la peu wrote: > On Friday 15 December 2006 09:51, you wrote: > > So far for all you people who have complained about lousy ral(4) > > range or reception, only one of you has posted a dmesg (and even it was > > incomplete) and none of you have posted your interface config

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-17 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 02:02:00AM +, pedro la peu wrote: > > Don't let this interrupt your complain-fest, but if you want to move > > beyond whinging and start trying to figure out what the bad performing > > cards have in common then you know what you have to do... > > Don't let this interru

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-17 Thread pedro la peu
On Friday 15 December 2006 09:51, you wrote: > So far for all you people who have complained about lousy ral(4) > range or reception, only one of you has posted a dmesg (and even it was > incomplete) and none of you have posted your interface config. Irrelevant. > Don't let this interrupt your co

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-15 Thread Sepherosa Ziehau
On 12/16/06, Jonathan Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 04:14:14PM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: > On 12/14/06, earx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >ralink is the worst radio chipset in term of radio performance > >but the best documented for driver :( > > I probably missed s

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-15 Thread Jonathan Gray
On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 04:14:14PM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: > On 12/14/06, earx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >ralink is the worst radio chipset in term of radio performance > >but the best documented for driver :( > > I probably missed something here, except for some Linux drivers, I > didn'

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-15 Thread Henrik Hellerstedt
On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 08:51:33PM +1100, Damien Miller wrote: > So far for all you people who have complained about lousy ral(4) > range or reception, only one of you has posted a dmesg (and even it was > incomplete) and none of you have posted your interface config. > > Don't let this interrupt y

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Damien, no problem, thanks for your help ! Thomas complete dmesg OpenBSD 4.0 (GENERIC) #1107: Sat Sep 16 19:15:58 MDT 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 800MHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class, 0KB L2 zcpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PA

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-15 Thread Damien Miller
So far for all you people who have complained about lousy ral(4) range or reception, only one of you has posted a dmesg (and even it was incomplete) and none of you have posted your interface config. Don't let this interrupt your complain-fest, but if you want to move beyond whinging and start try

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-15 Thread Sepherosa Ziehau
On 12/14/06, earx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ralink is the worst radio chipset in term of radio performance but the best documented for driver :( I probably missed something here, except for some Linux drivers, I didn't remember Ralink had released any formal documents about its MACs and RFs.

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Anis Kadri
I have experienced the same problems with both ath(4) and ral(4) (minipci cards). I tried to use different modes (B & G) and different settings (channels, ..) and using an external antenna but the performance's still lossy :-/ for ral(4): g mode doesn't work very well for me (packet loss, ...) so i

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread pedro la peu
http://www.netgate.com/info/miniPCI/2511MPPLUS/2511MP_PLUS_Spec.pdf Receive sensitivity: -89dBm to -91dBm. http://soekris.kd85.com/pdf/ralabg.pdf Receive sensitivity: -70dBm to -84dBm.

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Mathieu Sauve-Frankel
I have had similar experiences using ral in 802.11b mode. Forcing 802.11G mode seems to help alot. Could people in this thread please mention whether they are using ral in b or g mode ? -- Mathieu Sauve-Frankel

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Clint Pachl
Jeff Quast wrote: On 12/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 12 December 2006 13:27, Anis Kadri wrote: > On 12/12/06, Clint Pachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 12/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> 1 prism and 1 ral -> bad performance > >

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Henrik Hellerstedt
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 01:27:19PM +0100, Anis Kadri wrote: > Same problem with minipci ral cards > max distance: 5-8m. > About the same here. 2-3m meters the signal strength is ok 3-6m its a good day if I can connect 6- no connection can be made what so ever The signal strength(if one can ca

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Rod.. Whitworth
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:12:49 +1100 (EST), Damien Miller wrote: >On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Clint Pachl wrote: > >> I have a similar problem in 3.9 with ral cards; very poor range. >> >> Linksys (ath) [ap] -> Level One (ral) = 5-7 meters >> Linksys (ath) [ap] -> Old 1MBit Intel (wi?) = +30 meters >> Lev

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Damien Miller
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Clint Pachl wrote: > I have a similar problem in 3.9 with ral cards; very poor range. > > Linksys (ath) [ap] -> Level One (ral) = 5-7 meters > Linksys (ath) [ap] -> Old 1MBit Intel (wi?) = +30 meters > Level One (ral pci) [ap] -> Level One (ral pccard) = must be within 1-2 >

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Damien Bergamini
Ralink is certainly not the best radio chipset out there but it can handle more than 5-8 meters. I suggest you try the version in -current. I replaced the rate control algorithm (which was not very efficient) by a new one. You may also try setting a fixed rate to see if it changes something. Damie

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Anton Karpov
It's a known problem with ralink. Bad radio.

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Anton Karpov
2006/12/12, Clint Pachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Anton Karpov wrote: > > It's a known problem with ralink. Bad radio. > > That's what I was thinking. > > Hey, could you recommend a good "range" card? I have Proxim Orinoco Gold 8470, works fine for me. But it's fucking ath(4) . I suppose the best

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Jeff Quast
On 12/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 12 December 2006 13:27, Anis Kadri wrote: > On 12/12/06, Clint Pachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 12/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> 1 prism and 1 ral -> bad performance > > >> 2 ral -> no con

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Anton Karpov
> I just found a Proxim Gold 8470-FC card on eBay for $60 w/ shipping. Is > this a good deal? Is your card "8470-FC"? > > Thanks for the info. > Yeah, but mine is not FC but WD.

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it's not a pigtail problem, as i wrote that a always used prism cards and it works. the resistor value of the pigtail is ok. On Thursday 14 December 2006 12:45, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2006/12/14 12:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > it seems nobody uses minipci ralink cards ... :-( > > try dif

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Bernd Schoeller
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:08:00 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it seems nobody uses minipci ralink cards ... :-( I also have a ralink card (regular PCI used in a Soekris with OBSD 4.0), and I am experiencing similar problems - horribly low radio performace over short dist

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread earx
Le Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:45:37 + Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a pris sa plume: > > On 2006/12/14 12:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > it seems nobody uses minipci ralink cards ... :-( ralink is the worst radio chipset in term of radio performance but the best documented for driver :( r

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/12/14 12:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > it seems nobody uses minipci ralink cards ... :-( try different pigtails if possible. I've had very poor signal strength in a soekris with a couple of different pigtails with both ral(4) and ath(4) whereas the same cards in a thinkpad did work ok. (s

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it seems nobody uses minipci ralink cards ... :-( On Tuesday 12 December 2006 13:27, Anis Kadri wrote: > Same problem with minipci ral cards > max distance: 5-8m. > > On 12/12/06, Clint Pachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: > > > I have a Linksys card that uses ral and I can

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-12 Thread Anis Kadri
Same problem with minipci ral cards max distance: 5-8m. On 12/12/06, Clint Pachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: > > I have a Linksys card that uses ral and I can confirm this > > > > > > Sam Fourman Jr. > > > > On 12/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-12 Thread Clint Pachl
Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: I have a Linksys card that uses ral and I can confirm this Sam Fourman Jr. On 12/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi List, i've tried today openbsd 4.0 with several cards: rt2561t -> PC-620C rt2560f -> WMIR-103G rt2560f -> GN-WIKG with all cards i

Re: openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-09 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
I have a Linksys card that uses ral and I can confirm this Sam Fourman Jr. On 12/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi List, i've tried today openbsd 4.0 with several cards: rt2561t -> PC-620C rt2560f -> WMIR-103G rt2560f -> GN-WIKG with all cards i got a connection (mediao

openbsd 4.0 ralink problem low operation range

2006-12-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi List, i've tried today openbsd 4.0 with several cards: rt2561t -> PC-620C rt2560f -> WMIR-103G rt2560f -> GN-WIKG with all cards i got a connection (mediaopt ibss -> adhoc) with a distance of some meters. but if i tried a distance of 150 meters with 2 yagi (12dbi) i got no connection :-(. i