Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-19 Thread j . thornburg
> Do you guys use your WWAN card under OpenBSD at all? :) Sure. I'm typing this on a Thinkpad T41p (bought used on ebay.de 1.5 years ago), using the local wavelan at a conference. ipw(4) works fine if you read 'man ipw' and pkg_add the firmware described in the man page. On the whole I'm happy

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-18 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-06-16, Brad Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 14:33 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:05:12PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: >> > On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: >> > >> I'm curious as to the '

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-17 Thread Mark Shroyer
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:16:44PM -0500, Matt Bettinger wrote: > i ordered my t61 with suse but you have to be ready and have the > direct url for the sales people because they want to ship it with > windows on it. It is a pretty nice laptop with the exception of the > POS discreet nvidia card.

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-17 Thread David Schulz
After taking a couple Installer CD's, eg. Backtrack, Xubuntu, OpenBSD and FreeBSD to the Computer Market, i ended up purchasing an Asus F8NSV ; great Unit, put in 4GB of Ram, 250GB Drive. The spec is pretty awesome, paid converted ~800EUR for it, very happy since its like half priced of the Mac

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-17 Thread Floor Terra
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Pieter Verberne wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. Anyone interested in making a database with as many laptops as poss

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-17 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:56:54AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:35:17AM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: > | I want to compare as many as possible things. For example: > | CPU, memory, HD, audiocard, speakers, optical drive, OS, warranty, GPU, > | case-material, webcam, tra

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-17 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:35:17AM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: | I want to compare as many as possible things. For example: | CPU, memory, HD, audiocard, speakers, optical drive, OS, warranty, GPU, | case-material, webcam, tracking devices, fingerprint, keyboard layout, | NIC, size, weight, accu

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-17 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would > probably be a good steer for what to buy. Anyone interested in making a database with as many laptops as possible with me? I would like to create a permis

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Damien Miller
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Brad Walker wrote: > FYI, newer Thinkpads have mini-pci cards whitelisted in the BIOS. One > can't install a ral(4) in them without hacking the BIOS (not > recommended). > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card We have had tools to wor

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Michiel van Baak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15:09, Mon 16 Jun 08, Aaron Glenn wrote: >> >> Do you guys use your WWAN card under OpenBSD at all? :) > > If you mean WLAN: yes > it's an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG. > Works fine here. nah, I really did

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
oga is working on the nouveau port. Maybe some beer + hardware can speed up the situation... On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:16:44PM -0500, Matt Bettinger wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6/16/08, Lars D. Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Michiel van Baak
On 15:09, Mon 16 Jun 08, Aaron Glenn wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Michiel van Baak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: > >> Hey, > >> > >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > > > > I have the same and really love it. > > Do you guys u

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Michiel van Baak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > > I have the same and really love it. Do you guys use your WWAN card under OpenBSD at all? :)

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Steve Shockley
Lars D. Noodin wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Ted Unangst wrote: Woah. I can get a two grand notebook for only one grand without windows? Varies depending on overall prices, and only if the savings are not pocketed entirely. http://www.cybersource.com.au/users/conz/why_the_unbundling_windows_sc

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Matt Bettinger
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/16/08, Lars D. Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: >> > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: >> >> >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. >> > I have the sam

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Ted Unangst wrote: > Woah. I can get a two grand notebook for only one grand without windows? Varies depending on overall prices, and only if the savings are not pocketed entirely. http://www.cybersource.com.au/users/conz/why_the_unbundling_windows_sceptics_ are_wrong.html

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Ted Unangst
On 6/16/08, Lars D. Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: > > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: > > >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > > I have the same and really love it. > > > How were either of you able to get one without the

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Michiel van Baak
On 12:07, Mon 16 Jun 08, Jon wrote: > The only open source system pre-installed last time I looked was > OpenSuSE, which isn't such a great system to use in my opinion but that > should confirm you're not stuck with paperweight hardware. I'm using > Ubuntu on a Thinkpad T60 I occasionally use right

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Peter Hessler
you think thats funny, some of the HP "click to upgrade" wifi cards aren't on the whitelist. when you call them, HP Support says "Tough luck." On 2008 Jun 16 (Mon) at 13:18:20 -0700 (-0700), Jon wrote: :HP does it too. Isn't this illegal (o;?"anti-competitive" etc) in some :countries? : : :On M

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Jon
HP does it too. Isn't this illegal (o;?"anti-competitive" etc) in some countries? On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 12:53 -0600, Brad Walker wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 14:33 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:05:12PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Artur Grabowski
Jose Quinteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Super quick and dirty check, and I'd have to get it with "Windows Vista > Ultimate". "Ultimate what?" > is the question that comes immediately to mind. No thanks. > > Personally, I'd buy a Dell Insipidron N-series, purely for political reasons. I som

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Jon
The only open source system pre-installed last time I looked was OpenSuSE, which isn't such a great system to use in my opinion but that should confirm you're not stuck with paperweight hardware. I'm using Ubuntu on a Thinkpad T60 I occasionally use right now and everything except lightscribe seems

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Jose Quinteiro
Super quick and dirty check, and I'd have to get it with "Windows Vista Ultimate". "Ultimate what?" is the question that comes immediately to mind. No thanks. Personally, I'd buy a Dell Insipidron N-series, purely for political reasons. Saludos, Jose. Lars D. Noodin wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 200

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Aaron W. Hsu
Hey Stuart, From: Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I was at the latest eurobsdcon I noticed that all laptops > were either macbooks or lenovos. eurobsdcon + macbooks -> freebsd developers, ri

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Brad Walker
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 14:33 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:05:12PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > > >> I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - > > >> that would pr

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > I have the same and really love it. How were either of you able to get one without the Windows tax? EU reports last autumn showed that is about half the cost.

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Jason Dixon
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:05:12PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > >> I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - > >> that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. > > X and T thinkpads a

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Michiel van Baak
On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: > Hey, > > I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. I have the same and really love it. > > After looking around for about a month and comparing the following: > > - cost > - battery life > - compatibility with Linux / BSD > > I had it narrowed

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
Staying away from macs is a wise idea; they use super low end hardware and wrap in in something pretty. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 09:33:48AM -0600, Michael Gale wrote: > Hey, > > I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > > After looking around for about a month and comparing the following: > > -

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: >> I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - >> that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. X and T thinkpads are in the majority. There are a lot of trade-offs between different models tho

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Michael Gale
Hey, I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. After looking around for about a month and comparing the following: - cost - battery life - compatibility with Linux / BSD I had it narrowed down to the IBM Lenovo or a Mac. The IBM model was cheaper and had support for dual monitors via a d

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
I'd say the distribution is: 1. IBM/Lenovo 2. Dell 3. Apple 4. Asus/Fuji/Acer/MSI/Sony 5. The rest On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would > probably be a good steer for what to buy. > > > -- >

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Sean Malloy
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would > probably be a good steer for what to buy. > > > -- > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard Take a look at http://www.openbsd.org/i386-laptop.html -- Sean Malloy www.s

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Han Boetes
Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - > that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. When I was at the latest eurobsdcon I noticed that all laptops were either macbooks or lenovos. # Han

Re: developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread mickey
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would > probably be a good steer for what to buy. usually people seem to prefer laptops that have keyboards. some really advanced models may even have a screen bu

developer laptop choices

2008-06-16 Thread Ed Ahlsen-Girard
I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. -- Ed Ahlsen-Girard