Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-07-15 Thread ropers
110.1215843515313; >Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:18:35 -0700 (PDT) > Received: by 10.114.179.20 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:18:35 -0700 (PDT) > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:18:35 +0200 > From: ropers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pau

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-07-11 Thread ropers
2008/7/11 Paul de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I must admist, I've only read the parts you pointed out, but so far > I'm very much impressed with how they managed to totally confuse the > reader with incorrect statements and wrong examples. The section on > IPv6 is probably best removed or mostly

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-07-11 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 02:01:46PM +0200, ropers wrote: | However, there's a part of the document ( | http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf ) that | I haven't yet corrected, and can't/won't correct on my own without | asking for your opinion. I'm talking about the section o

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-07-11 Thread Stuart Henderson
>> Another solution would be to find/write a replacement document/site. >> (HTML preferred over pdf). No HTML version yet, and it's not in the same depth as the 3com document, but the first part of the Network Design chapter in "Wireless Networking in the Developing World" (ports/books/wndw in -cu

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-07-11 Thread ropers
[ This message is in continuation of this old thread: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=121151167724118&w=2 ] 2008/5/23 Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ropers wrote: >> 2008/5/21 ropers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Kendall Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-22 Thread Nick Holland
ropers wrote: > 2008/5/21 ropers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Kendall Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> ... I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they are s

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread ropers
2008/5/21 ropers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Kendall Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ... >>> I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 >>> numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they >>> are saying? > > I am reall

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread ropers
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Kendall Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... >> I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 >> numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they >> are saying? I am really heartened to see how quickly everybody here

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Chris Kuethe
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Kendall Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks everyone. > > How about this then from page 4, about class A networks: > > "Each Class A network address has an 8-bit network prefix, with the > highest order bit set to 0 (zero) and a 7-bit network number, followed >

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Kendall Shaw
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 13:10 -0700, Kendall Shaw wrote: > On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 12:46 -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote: > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Kendall Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > "IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are > > > only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addr

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:10:56PM -0700, Kendall Shaw wrote: | Thanks everyone. | | How about this then from page 4, about class A networks: | | "Each Class A network address has an 8-bit network prefix, with the | highest order bit set to 0 (zero) and a 7-bit network number, followed | by a 24-

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Kendall Shaw
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 12:46 -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote: > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Kendall Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are > > only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available." > > > > 232 what? > > Typesetting error. That

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Philip Guenther
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Kendall Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 > numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they > are saying? Sounds like the superscript notation for exponentiation was los

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:36:05PM -0700, Kendall Shaw wrote: | In the networking section of the OpenBSD FAQ it suggests reading | "Understanding IP addressing": | | http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf | | I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Jose Quinteiro
Looks like the exponentiation operator got eaten up somewhere. 2 to the 32nd power (2^32) is 4,294,967,296. 2^3 == 8. HTH, Jose. Kendall Shaw wrote: > In the networking section of the OpenBSD FAQ it suggests reading > "Understanding IP addressing": > > http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corp

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Dave Anderson
On Wed, 21 May 2008, Kendall Shaw wrote: >In the networking section of the OpenBSD FAQ it suggests reading >"Understanding IP addressing": > >http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf > >I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 >numbers, e.g. 2(21) or

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 03:07:23PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: >> 23 or 8 what? Bits? > > 23 = CIDR notation, .. i.e. 32 bits - 23 bits for the network = 8 for the > subnet > > Written as: n.n.n.n/23 You should work on your mathskills a bit, Lee ;) Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- >

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread L. V. Lammert
At 12:36 PM 5/21/2008 -0700, Kendall Shaw wrote: For example, on page 3: "IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available." 232 what? It should read: 2^32(to the 32rd power) Could be an issue with special characters in

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Almir Karic
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Kendall Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 232 what? 2^32 -- For far too long, power has been concentrated in the hands of "root" and his "wheel" oligarchy. We have instituted a dictatorship of the users. All system administration functions will be handled by the

Re: Decipering "Understanding IP addressing"

2008-05-21 Thread Chris Kuethe
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Kendall Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are > only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available." > > 232 what? Typesetting error. That should be 2^32 or 2**32 or pow(2, 32) or 232 > 23 or 8 what? Bits