Hello,
please get a grip on business "mechanics".
On Sat, 11.03.2006 at 00:48:30 +0100, Wijnand Wiersma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If there are big plans, and the companies could benefit from those big
> plans it might actually make them donate if those plans need real
> donations. It all depe
Hello,
On Fri, 10.03.2006 at 21:24:47 -0600, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For example, two of our sites are upgrading all Mac desktops to G5,
> literally throwing away dozens of functional Mac G3s, because there is a
> very short list of tax-deductible charities to which the Company authoriz
Hi,
> On 3/8/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> But financially we are under strain, and it is not letting us grow any
>> of our bigger plans.
>
> It sounds like you really have big plans. Maybe it is a good idea to
> tell about them, maybe that will make the big companies interested
Kevin wrote:
> Part of the cost savings is that there is no need for a per-machine
> license, so the company purchases one copy of each release CD set.
However, the CDs themselves are *not* freely copyable (FAQ 3.3 and
interminable misc@ discussions refer); so for business use it seems
unremar
On 3/11/06, Diana Eichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Kevin wrote:
> SNIP
> > Right.
> > Because for-profit businesses wants to see return on their "investment",
> > thus a company will seldom give stuff away because it feels good.
>
> Then you ( the generic you ) needs to do
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Kevin wrote:
SNIP
> Right.
> Because for-profit businesses wants to see return on their "investment",
> thus a company will seldom give stuff away because it feels good.
Then you ( the generic you ) needs to do a better job of explaining to
management the cost savings associat
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Greg Thomas wrote:
> On 3/10/06, Craig Ryhorchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > I wouldn't go quite that far. Corporate anywhere cares about charity.
>
> No, they don't care about charity. They care about tax deductions.
> There is a big difference between the two.
On Saturday 11 March 2006 07:22, Greg Thomas wrote:
> On 3/10/06, Craig Ryhorchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I wouldn't go quite that far. Corporate anywhere cares about charity.
>
> No, they don't care about charity. They care about tax deductions.
Or, in countries where charity donations a
On 3/10/06, Diana Eichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Talk is really cheap. Getting a business, either the one you work for or
> a vendor, to donate hardware or funding is much harder.
Right.
Because for-profit businesses wants to see return on their "investment",
thus a company will seldom give
On 3/10/06, Rod.. Whitworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree with those who have said that this thread is very largely a
> waste of time with lots of talk and little action coming from it apart
> from the few overt contributions to the "power bill" fund. Thanks to
> those people.
>
> For those
I agree with those who have said that this thread is very largely a
waste of time with lots of talk and little action coming from it apart
from the few overt contributions to the "power bill" fund. Thanks to
those people.
For those of you who haven't thought of a way to contribute more than
your p
On 3/10/06, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/10/06, Wijnand Wiersma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Maybe I think too good about people/companies, but maybe if you want
> > to create and a company really likes that they maybe sponsor. If
> > you have big plans and need money for th
On 3/10/06, Craig Ryhorchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>
> I wouldn't go quite that far. Corporate anywhere cares about charity.
No, they don't care about charity. They care about tax deductions.
There is a big difference between the two. I think this is a reason
why Theo is loathe to star
On 3/10/06, Wijnand Wiersma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe I think too good about people/companies, but maybe if you want
> to create and a company really likes that they maybe sponsor. If
> you have big plans and need money for that and that company really
> needs feature they might
Man, talk, talk, talk, blah, blah, blah.
quit blathering and just do it!
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Nico Meijer
> Sent: March 10, 2006 2:56 PM
> To: misc@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: FW: Pre-orders for our releases.
>
> Hi Craig,
>
> > Of course, for this to benefit
Hi Craig,
> Of course, for this to benefit
> OpenBSD
> they'd have to be registered as a charitable organization etc. etc. and
> that
> is probably somewhere they either don't want to or can't go (or they
> already
> have and I just don't know)
Ain't. Gonna. Happen. (See the archives; really)
I
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Spruell, Darren-Perot
> Sent: March 10, 2006 12:34 PM
> To: misc@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: Pre-orders for our releases.
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > OpenBSd always c
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> OpenBSd always charges nothing back, that's an ideology (that's the
> way i see). The price of ideologies in a world like ours is expensive.
>
> For instance, i am tired of seeing big players using openssh and the
> like. They give nothing back to OpenBSD. Probable the t
OpenBSd always charges nothing back, that's an ideology (that's the
way i see). The price of ideologies in a world like ours is expensive.
For instance, i am tired of seeing big players using openssh and the
like. They give nothing back to OpenBSD. Probable the thrid BSD
license clause should be i
On 10/03/06, A Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A thought suddenly occurs. Perhaps big companies that use OpenBSD do not
> want to disclose their use by donating because they fear that this might
> give their competitors an advantage(now their competitors know what OS
> they're using), or might h
A thought suddenly occurs. Perhaps big companies that use OpenBSD do not
want to disclose their use by donating because they fear that this might
give their competitors an advantage(now their competitors know what OS
they're using), or might help crackers/s-kiddies/etc. attack that
company now tha
Talk is really cheap. Getting a business, either the one you work for or
a vendor, to donate hardware or funding is much harder. So instead of
TALKING about it what you MIGHT do, go out and find equipment/funding from
somewhere. Once you get something concrete notify Theo of what you have.
This p
On 10/03/06, Wijnand Wiersma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/10/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > But financially we are under strain, and it is not letting us grow any
> > > > of our bigger plans.
> > >
> > > It sounds like you really have big plans. Maybe it is a good idea to
Back on the issue of the t-shirt suggestion.
How about on the back of OpenBSD t-shirts, the slogan:
Parasites don't puff, or even blow, they suck!
Catchy, is it not?
I'll get my coat.
--
Best regards,
Craig
http://slashboot.org/
On 3/10/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > But financially we are under strain, and it is not letting us grow any
> > > of our bigger plans.
> >
> > It sounds like you really have big plans. Maybe it is a good idea to
> > tell about them, maybe that will make the big companies inter
> > But financially we are under strain, and it is not letting us grow any
> > of our bigger plans.
>
> It sounds like you really have big plans. Maybe it is a good idea to
> tell about them, maybe that will make the big companies interested in
> sponsoring some of that work.
And what... they'll
On 3/8/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But financially we are under strain, and it is not letting us grow any
> of our bigger plans.
It sounds like you really have big plans. Maybe it is a good idea to
tell about them, maybe that will make the big companies interested in
sponsoring
Peter Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Theo de Raadt wrote:
>> For instance, I would approximate
>> that the sale of every T-shirt we make probably does not pay for the
>> electricity used in the machine room. It's about $5000 a year.
>
> Which works out, quite conveniently, to about $100/week.
Here's a week on me too:
Your order currently is:
-> USD $100.00 DONATION to the OpenBSD Project
Paul.
On 3/9/06, Peter Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > For instance, I would approximate
> > that the sale of every T-shirt we make probably does not pay for the
> > elect
> However, I don't think that's the gist of the message. OpenBSD is being
> used by large companies in significant roles and few or none are kicking
> in money. If anyone here works for/with such a company and can influence
> them then consider trying to get them to send money to the project. If
On 2006.03.10, at 1:29 AM, Craig wrote:
When the new edition of Artymiak's pf book comes out, I'll get that
through Wim, also.
Anyone heard any news about Jacek's new book? It's supposed to be put
out by O'reilly still? I've been eagerly awaiting it.
Shane
Chris wrote:
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Yet almost all of our donations really do come from individuals, and
almost none from companies using our software. Even though there are
many many companies doing so. Some companies are small, but there are
also quite large ones. And banks. Government ins
Have ordered two t-shirts and will be ordering 3.9 CDs in the near
future.
When the new edition of Artymiak's pf book comes out, I'll get that
through Wim, also.
Hope that helps,
Craig
Theo de Raadt wrote:
I would like to remind our community that our project lives and
breathes because of the sale of CDs and the receipt of donations. In
the last few years a few very large donations have allowed our
hackathons to happen, but other than that we are always digging
ourself a bigge
Theo de Raadt wrote:
For instance, I would approximate
that the sale of every T-shirt we make probably does not pay for the
electricity used in the machine room. It's about $5000 a year.
Which works out, quite conveniently, to about $100/week.
So have the next week's juice on me:
You
I would like to remind our community that our project lives and
breathes because of the sale of CDs and the receipt of donations. In
the last few years a few very large donations have allowed our
hackathons to happen, but other than that we are always digging
ourself a bigger and bigger hole.
Mos
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