Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Well, are you sure "UEFI disable button" will turn off ALL of UEFI functions? Fow windows 8 certed hardware, aka most. http://download.microsoft.com/download/A/D/F/ADF5BEDE-C0FB-4CC0-A3E1-B38093F50BA1/windows8-hardware-cert-requirements-system.pdf Which states. MANDATORY. The platform shall s

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-09 Thread Mihai Popescu
Rudolf Leitgeb wrote: > For 15+ years I read these regular Cassandra calls that this and that > "innovation" will kill free operating systems on commodity hardware, > remember Adaptec SCSI controllers, 3D video cards, I2O, trusted > computing and whatever the "feature of the day" is called. It v

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-09 Thread Rudolf Leitgeb
> Well, are you sure "UEFI disable button" will turn off ALL of UEFI > functions? > With that virtualization, both hardware bugs and attacks against > hypervisors are real world cases. So don't be naive. > > Trust me, I'll try hard to avoid virtualization and Fedora@UEFI on my > firewalls, no ma

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-09 Thread Alexey Suslikov
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > Many of us can comfortably disable UEFI, but it's going to be > problematic for our less skilled colleagues. Well, are you sure "UEFI disable button" will turn off ALL of UEFI functions? >> Also, UEFI will possibly take down a dozens of

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-08 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Alexey Suslikov wrote: > Remember SOPA/ACTA? If somebody is planning to have a regulation, > this somebody should take care about tools which guarantee direct, not > circumstantial, evidence of somebody else broke this regulation. > > UEFI implements network stack s

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-08 Thread Alexey Suslikov
Remember SOPA/ACTA? If somebody is planning to have a regulation, this somebody should take care about tools which guarantee direct, not circumstantial, evidence of somebody else broke this regulation. UEFI implements network stack so it can be a long-standing strategy. UEFI is about remote monit

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Bob Beck wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Tomas Bodzar > wrote: >> >> >> World is trying much worse stuff than UEFI >> >> http://extratorrent.com/article/2263/uk+prime+minister+calls+for+online+porn+ban.html >> >> > > What? they're going to ban porn? T

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Chris Bennett
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 06:54:31PM +0100, llemike...@aol.com wrote: > I bought Betamax (because it was the best)... until... > I bought SAAB (because it was the best)... until... > I bought Amiga (because it was the best)... until... > > I don't want to be saying... > > I bou.. erm.. got... OpenB

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 06:54:31PM +0100, llemike...@aol.com wrote: > Tomas (and David and E.V.R. Else-Body) > > Yes - I'd read the thread(s) (Gentoo too..) - but the > ultimate conclusion of much of the discussion is > "buy different hardware". > > I bought Betamax (because it was the best)... u

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread llemike...@aol.com
Tomas (and David and E.V.R. Else-Body) Yes - I'd read the thread(s) (Gentoo too..) - but the ultimate conclusion of much of the discussion is "buy different hardware". I bought Betamax (because it was the best)... until... I bought SAAB (because it was the best)... until... I bought Amiga (becau

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Bob Beck
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Tomas Bodzar wrote: > > World is trying much worse stuff than UEFI > > http://extratorrent.com/article/2263/uk+prime+minister+calls+for+online+porn+ban.html > > > What? they're going to ban porn? That's it, I'm quitting the internets.

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:46 PM, llemike...@aol.com wrote: > Dear , > > I have been considering the implications for BSD and > Linux and any non-MS O/S of the implementation of UEFI > Secure Boot (SB). > > As I understand it, ARM devices wishing to receive Win8 cert > are required to enable SB by d

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread David Diggles
With all the investment in non MS, mission critical / non portable apps, in the proprietry world alone, do you really think Microsoft can ever take over all of i386? Surely they can only try, and keep on trying, but it is an unwinnable arms race, and someone is going to be willing to pay for a bac

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread llemike...@aol.com
T, A!! Oh Yes I see what you are doing... Ah-hahaha, Yes - I agree Talk is so much puff... We need to DO... Time to work on CoreBoot or our own (who else will do it?) aftermarket BIOS solutions... Mike's plan: 1) Get EPROM programmer with PLCC adaptor 2) Get surface mount torch 3)

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
Be realistic. Talking about it on misc won't change anything. >Dear , > >I have been considering the implications for BSD and >Linux and any non-MS O/S of the implementation of UEFI >Secure Boot (SB). > >As I understand it, ARM devices wishing to receive Win8 cert >are required to enable SB by de

OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread llemike...@aol.com
Dear , I have been considering the implications for BSD and Linux and any non-MS O/S of the implementation of UEFI Secure Boot (SB). As I understand it, ARM devices wishing to receive Win8 cert are required to enable SB by default and prevent the disabling of SB. Meanwhile, x86 devices are supp